Re: holy grail

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--- David Lang <david.lang@digitalinsight.com> wrote:
> 
> I think people are at the point of working on this becouse it
> sounds like
> a worthwhile feature, not becouse it's actually anything that would
> be
> used.

UML sounds like a worthwhile feature, turns out its actually pretty
useful too. kexec() is supported in its current incarnation. why
not simply extend it the one step further?

> 
> what possible application needs to be able to do a seamless kernel
> upgrade
> that wouldn't be useing a network?

"programs will never use more than 640K of memory." - bill gates

lets talk clusters... the teragrid system being built out of 2024
redhat 7.2 installs (ncsa alone, not counting the 3 other cluster
sites). imagine a simple system on the network to push a copy of the
new kernel and then telling each node to hot-swap. 0 downtime.
__super__ easy to maintain. how easy would that become??? how about
this... an nfs mount point in the grid for /boot such that each node
then gets the kernel from a central point and hot swaps when a flag
is set, or a change is detected in the /boot directory. no push even
needed then. the cost savings from that alone would be worth the
effort to them.

> 
> if it's a batch processing task, it can checkpoint itself and
> restart
> after a reboot.
> 

2024 nodes rebooting, how much time needed while the system is in a
degraded state?

> if it's a controller of specialized equipment then you either can
> have the
> process checkpoint itself, or you can't afford to pause long enough
> to do
> the kernel swap (i.e. the device keeps operating regardless and so
> may
> generate ssignals to the program during the time when you are
> swapping
> kernels)
> 

hence a queue to catch pending irqs while the system swaps over.


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