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From: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
To: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
	Eli Billauer <eli_billauer@users.sourceforge.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>
Subject: Re: [RFC] frandom - fast random generator module
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:37:45 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031016203745.GS5725@waste.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20031016142706.G7000@schatzie.adilger.int>

On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 02:27:06PM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote:
> On Oct 16, 2003  14:08 -0500, Matt Mackall wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 12:38:28PM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote:
> > > It was a 2-way SMP system.  We use the RNG a fair amount (enough to know
> > > that 2 CPUs can race and return the same value from get_random_bytes() ;-)
> > 
> > Sure this is a race and not a birthday paradox? How recent is this?
> > Possibly before locking was added to random.c?
> 
> This is with a 2.4 kernel, which AFAIK doesn't have any locking.

Correct.
 
> > > so we had to put a spinlock around our calls to that.  Even so, oprofile
> > > showed extract_entropy() and SHATransform() near the top of CPU users.
> > 
> > Ok, the lock contention would be with add_entropy_words. I've got code
> > that reduces calls to SHATransform for /dev/urandom, but it require
> > addressing the starvation issues between /dev/random and /dev/urandom first.
> 
> But there isn't an in-kernel interface to "/dev/urandom" so that doesn't
> help us.

There is, it's called get_random_bytes. There's no interface to the
blocking version though.

-- 
Matt Mackall : http://www.selenic.com : Linux development and consulting

  reply	other threads:[~2003-10-16 20:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-10-16  8:22 Eli Billauer
2003-10-16  8:36 ` Nick Piggin
2003-10-16 10:20   ` Eli Billauer
2003-10-16 10:48     ` Nick Piggin
2003-10-16 11:29     ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 12:27       ` Eli Billauer
2003-10-16 15:10         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 16:20       ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-16 16:31         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 18:18           ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-16 18:52             ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-10-16 19:31             ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-16 20:40               ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-16 21:03             ` David Wagner
2003-10-16 23:17             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 23:42               ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-17  0:34                 ` David Wagner
2003-10-16 17:45         ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-16 18:38           ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-16 19:08             ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-16 20:27               ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-16 20:37                 ` Matt Mackall [this message]
2003-10-16 17:31       ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-16 23:03         ` Eli Billauer
2003-10-16 23:07           ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 23:13           ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-16 23:35           ` jw schultz
2003-10-21 19:24       ` bill davidsen
2003-10-21 19:55       ` bill davidsen
2003-10-21 21:21         ` Helge Hafting
2003-10-21 22:18           ` bill davidsen
2003-10-22  1:04             ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-10-21 19:17   ` bill davidsen
2003-10-21 21:00     ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-10-21 22:08       ` bill davidsen
2003-10-22  1:06         ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-10-22  2:56           ` jw schultz
2003-10-22 16:22             ` Kent Borg
2003-10-23  2:46               ` Dale Farnsworth
2003-10-23  3:22               ` Sandy Harris
2003-10-23 14:15                 ` Kent Borg
2003-10-24 17:37                 ` bill davidsen
2003-10-24 17:54                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-10-24 20:59                   ` David Wagner
2003-10-24 21:33                     ` jw schultz
2003-10-22  3:49           ` Sandy Harris
2003-10-16 10:45 ` Ingo Oeser
2003-10-21 19:30   ` bill davidsen
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     [not found]   ` <Hdyv.2Vd.13@gated-at.bofh.it>
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     [not found]         ` <Hjkw.3Al.11@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-16 17:46           ` David Mosberger-Tang
2003-10-16 19:28             ` Eli Billauer
2003-10-16 20:42               ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-21 19:46                 ` bill davidsen
2003-10-16 21:30               ` Matt Mackall

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