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From: "Jörn Engel" <joern@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Kallol Biswas <kbiswas@neoscale.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: partially encrypted filesystem
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 18:26:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031204172653.GA12516@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0312040712270.2055@home.osdl.org>

On Thu, 4 December 2003 07:20:21 -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jörn Engel wrote:
> >
> > Isn't that a problem already handled by all compressing filesystems?
> > Or did I miss something really stupid?
> 
> Yes, compression and encryption are really the same thing from a fs
> implementation standpoint - they just have different goals. So yes, any
> compressed filesystem will largely have all the same issues.
> 
> And compression isn't very easy to tack on later either.

So - as sick as it sounds - jffs2 may actually be the fs of choice
when doing encryption, even though working on a hard drive and not
flash.  Cool. :)

> Encryption does have a few extra problems, simply because of the intent.
> In a compressed filesystem it is ok to say "this information tends to be
> small and hard to compress, so let's not" (for example, metadata). While
> in an encrypted filesystem you shouldn't skip the "hard" pieces..

Depends on how much security you really care about.  If you really
don't mind the pain involved, some metadata should explicitly *not* be
encrypted, to avoid known plaintext attacks.  To a serious attacker,
this could be a death stroke for ext[23] over cryptoloop, actually.

In real life, though, the humans are usually the weakest link, so this
doesn't matter anyway.

> (Encrypted filesystems also have the key management issues, further
> complicating the thing, but that complication tends to be at a higher
> level).

Trivial, as long as you can live with a single key for the whole
filesystem.  If that is not acceptable, there may even be problems in
the vfs already.

Jörn

-- 
Data dominates. If you've chosen the right data structures and organized
things well, the algorithms will almost always be self-evident. Data
structures, not algorithms, are central to programming.
-- Rob Pike

  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-12-04 17:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-12-03 21:07 Kallol Biswas
2003-12-03 21:44 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-12-03 23:20   ` bill davidsen
2003-12-03 21:44 ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-04  0:08   ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-04  1:25     ` Jeff Garzik
2003-12-04  2:08       ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-04  3:59       ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-12-04  2:37     ` Charles Manning
2003-12-04 14:17     ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-04 15:20       ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-04 16:07         ` Phillip Lougher
2003-12-04 17:26         ` Jörn Engel [this message]
2003-12-04 18:20           ` Phillip Lougher
2003-12-04 18:40             ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-04 19:41             ` Erez Zadok
2003-12-05 11:20               ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-05 16:16                 ` Erez Zadok
2003-12-05 19:14                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2003-12-05 19:47                     ` Erez Zadok
2003-12-05 20:28                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2003-12-05 21:38                         ` Pat LaVarre
2003-12-06  0:15                         ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-12-06  1:35                           ` Pat LaVarre
2003-12-06  2:39                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-12-06 11:43                             ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-12-07  0:04                               ` Shaya Potter
2003-12-08 14:08                               ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-06  0:50                         ` Phillip Lougher
2003-12-08 11:37                           ` David Woodhouse
2003-12-08 13:44                             ` phillip
2003-12-08 14:07                               ` David Woodhouse
2003-12-10  1:16                               ` [OT?]Re: " Charles Manning
2003-12-10 17:45                                 ` Phillip Lougher
2003-12-09 23:40                             ` Pat LaVarre
2003-12-10  0:07                             ` Pavel Machek
2003-12-10  1:28                               ` Pat LaVarre
2003-12-10  2:13                               ` Charles Manning
2003-12-05 19:58                     ` Pat LaVarre
2003-12-08 11:28             ` David Woodhouse
2003-12-08 13:49               ` phillip
2003-12-04 19:18           ` David Wagner
2003-12-05 13:02             ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-05 17:28               ` Frank v Waveren
2003-12-05 23:59               ` David Wagner
2003-12-19 15:01     ` Rik van Riel
2003-12-04  3:10 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-12-04 18:16 ` Hans Reiser
2003-12-06 19:56 Pat LaVarre
2003-12-06 22:07 ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-12-10  3:22 Valient Gough

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