From: Andy Isaacson <adi@hexapodia.org>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@CS.UCLA.EDU>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
bug-coreutils@gnu.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: dd PATCH: add conv=direct
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 16:09:50 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040407210950.GG2814@hexapodia.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87vfkbms7s.fsf@penguin.cs.ucla.edu>
On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 01:46:31PM -0700, Paul Eggert wrote:
> Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org> writes:
> > In 2.6 we do the check at open() and fcntl() time. In 2.4 we don't
> > fail until the actual I/O attempt.
>
> This raises the issue of what "dd conv=direct" should do in 2.4
> kernels. I propose that it should report an error and exit, when the
> write fails, since conv=direct can't be implemented. The basic idea
> is that on systems that lack direct I/O, conv=direct should fail.
I agree, this is the appropriate behavior. When "dd conv=direct" is
used on a fd that cannot support direct I/O, and the kernel doesn't tell
us until it's too late, erroring on the I/O is the only sane action.
Fortuitously, that's what happens with the patches I posted.
(Note that it's a function of the kernel and the underlying FS whether
direct I/O is going to work. So some kind of heuristic on kernel
version is a bad idea.)
> Another issue with this patch: in Solaris, direct I/O is done by
> invoking directio(DIRECTIO_ON); see
> <http://docs.sun.com/db/doc/816-0213/6m6ne37so?q=directio&a=view>.
> Is Solaris direct I/O a direct analog to Linux direct I/O, or are
> there subtle differences in semantics that should be made visible to
> the users of GNU "dd"?
The Solaris semantics are more sane than the Linux ones, to be sure --
it always does the I/O, falling back to buffered I/O if conditions are
not right for direct.
I don't believe I have a test system for the Solaris case (when was
directio(3C) added?) so someone else will have to add that support.
-andy
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-04-07 21:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-04-06 22:03 Andy Isaacson
2004-04-07 0:33 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-07 16:21 ` Bruce Allen
2004-04-07 16:42 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-07 17:31 ` Andy Isaacson
2004-04-07 18:18 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-07 19:24 ` Andy Isaacson
2004-04-07 19:34 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-07 19:47 ` Andy Isaacson
2004-04-07 20:03 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-07 20:43 ` Andy Isaacson
2004-04-07 21:00 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-04-07 21:35 ` Bruce Allen
2004-04-08 6:56 ` Paul Eggert
2004-04-08 11:07 ` Jim Meyering
2004-04-08 19:32 ` Paul Eggert
2004-04-08 19:51 ` Paul Jarc
2004-04-08 21:34 ` Jim Meyering
2004-04-08 16:23 ` Philippe Troin
2004-04-08 20:20 ` dd patch to remove noctty Paul Eggert
2004-04-08 21:40 ` Jim Meyering
2004-04-09 0:37 ` dd PATCH: add conv=direct Anton Blanchard
2004-04-09 1:42 ` Wim Coekaerts
2004-04-10 21:28 ` Jim Meyering
2004-04-07 20:46 ` Paul Eggert
2004-04-07 21:06 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-07 21:09 ` Andy Isaacson [this message]
2004-04-07 19:12 ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2004-04-07 20:14 ` Andy Isaacson
2004-04-07 22:02 ` Nathan Straz
2004-04-07 22:09 ` Andy Isaacson
2004-04-08 11:44 ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
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