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From: Andy Isaacson <adi@hexapodia.org>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@CS.UCLA.EDU>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	bug-coreutils@gnu.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: dd PATCH: add conv=direct
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 16:09:50 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040407210950.GG2814@hexapodia.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87vfkbms7s.fsf@penguin.cs.ucla.edu>

On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 01:46:31PM -0700, Paul Eggert wrote:
> Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org> writes:
> > In 2.6 we do the check at open() and fcntl() time.  In 2.4 we don't
> > fail until the actual I/O attempt.
> 
> This raises the issue of what "dd conv=direct" should do in 2.4
> kernels.  I propose that it should report an error and exit, when the
> write fails, since conv=direct can't be implemented.  The basic idea
> is that on systems that lack direct I/O, conv=direct should fail.

I agree, this is the appropriate behavior.  When "dd conv=direct" is
used on a fd that cannot support direct I/O, and the kernel doesn't tell
us until it's too late, erroring on the I/O is the only sane action.

Fortuitously, that's what happens with the patches I posted.

(Note that it's a function of the kernel and the underlying FS whether
direct I/O is going to work.  So some kind of heuristic on kernel
version is a bad idea.)

> Another issue with this patch: in Solaris, direct I/O is done by
> invoking directio(DIRECTIO_ON); see
> <http://docs.sun.com/db/doc/816-0213/6m6ne37so?q=directio&a=view>.
> Is Solaris direct I/O a direct analog to Linux direct I/O, or are
> there subtle differences in semantics that should be made visible to
> the users of GNU "dd"?

The Solaris semantics are more sane than the Linux ones, to be sure --
it always does the I/O, falling back to buffered I/O if conditions are
not right for direct.

I don't believe I have a test system for the Solaris case (when was
directio(3C) added?) so someone else will have to add that support.

-andy

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-04-07 21:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-06 22:03 Andy Isaacson
2004-04-07  0:33 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-07 16:21   ` Bruce Allen
2004-04-07 16:42     ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-07 17:31   ` Andy Isaacson
2004-04-07 18:18     ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-07 19:24       ` Andy Isaacson
2004-04-07 19:34         ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-07 19:47           ` Andy Isaacson
2004-04-07 20:03             ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-07 20:43               ` Andy Isaacson
2004-04-07 21:00                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-04-07 21:35                 ` Bruce Allen
2004-04-08  6:56                   ` Paul Eggert
2004-04-08 11:07                     ` Jim Meyering
2004-04-08 19:32                       ` Paul Eggert
2004-04-08 19:51                         ` Paul Jarc
2004-04-08 21:34                         ` Jim Meyering
2004-04-08 16:23                     ` Philippe Troin
2004-04-08 20:20                       ` dd patch to remove noctty Paul Eggert
2004-04-08 21:40                         ` Jim Meyering
2004-04-09  0:37             ` dd PATCH: add conv=direct Anton Blanchard
2004-04-09  1:42               ` Wim Coekaerts
2004-04-10 21:28                 ` Jim Meyering
2004-04-07 20:46       ` Paul Eggert
2004-04-07 21:06         ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-07 21:09         ` Andy Isaacson [this message]
2004-04-07 19:12     ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2004-04-07 20:14       ` Andy Isaacson
2004-04-07 22:02 ` Nathan Straz
2004-04-07 22:09   ` Andy Isaacson
2004-04-08 11:44     ` Miquel van Smoorenburg

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