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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: Rajesh Venkatasubramanian <vrajesh@umich.edu>
Cc: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] anobjrmap 9 priority mjb tree
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:00:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040415130028.GB2150@dualathlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0404142323160.21462@sapphire.engin.umich.edu>

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 11:40:52PM -0400, Rajesh Venkatasubramanian wrote:
> 
> > >   2) However, vmas can be added and removed from a vm_set list
> > >      by just holding the read lock and a bit lock (vm_set_lock)
> > >      in the corresponding prio_tree node.
> >
> > no way, you cannot bitflip vm_flags unless you own the mmap_sem, this
> > patch seems very broken to me, it should randomly corrupt memory in
> > vma->vm_flags while racing against mprotect etc.. or am I missing
> > something?
> 
> I don't know why bit_spin_lock with vma->vm_flags should be a problem
> if it is used without mmap_sem. Can you explain ?

you seem not to know all rules about the atomic operations in smp, you
cannot just set_bit on one side and use non-atomic operations on the
other side, and expect the set_bit not to invalidate the non-atomic
operations.

The effect of the mprotect may be deleted by your new concurrent
set_bit and stuff like that.

> If it is really racy to use bit_spin_lock on vm_flags without mmap_sem

it __definitely__ is racy.

> Well. In that case, we can use rwsem as you mentioned below: take
> down_write on all modifications and take down_read on pageout. Here, you

exactly, this also avoids the more complex (and racy, but the racy would
be easy to fix by adding another 4 atomic bytes to the vma) double
locking that you introduced.

> allow multiple parallel page_referenced and try_to_unmap on the same
> inode, however with only one modification at a time.

exactly.

> Wherease my solution will allow multiple modifications at the same
> time (if possible) with only one pageout routine at a time. I chose
> this solution because Martin's SDET took big hit in common cases of
> adding and removing vmas from the i_mmap{_shared} data structure.

you can still fix the smp race condition by trivially adding 4 bytes to
the vma (i.e. a vma->vm_flags_atomic), but I'd be surprised if your
double locking actually improve things, Martin is running on a very
parallel old-numa where cacheline bouncing across nodes pass through a
fibre channel IIRC, and the cacheline bouncing that the semaphore
generates is huge, it's not necessairly huge contention, it's just the
bouncing that hurts, and the down_read won't help at all for the
cacheline trashing, it'll still bounce like before. Though you may gain
something minor, but I doubt it'd be huge.

I'd suggest Martin to give a try to the racy code, it's just good enough
for a pratical experiment (the race shouldn't easily trigger so it
probably passes one run of SDET safely).

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-04-15 13:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-04 12:33 Hugh Dickins
2004-04-09 20:39 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-09 21:31   ` Rajesh Venkatasubramanian
2004-04-09 21:40     ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-09 23:17       ` Rajesh Venkatasubramanian
2004-04-09 21:51   ` Hugh Dickins
2004-04-09 22:01     ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-09 22:56     ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-11 16:09       ` Hugh Dickins
2004-04-11 17:28         ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-12  4:32           ` Rajesh Venkatasubramanian
2004-04-12  5:24             ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-12 15:46           ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-12 18:43             ` Hugh Dickins
2004-04-12 18:58               ` Rajesh Venkatasubramanian
2004-04-12 19:01               ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-12 19:10                 ` Hugh Dickins
2004-04-12 19:38                   ` Rajesh Venkatasubramanian
2004-04-12 21:14                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-12 21:12                       ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-12 21:43                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-14 20:18                       ` Rajesh Venkatasubramanian
2004-04-15  0:05                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-04-15  0:22                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-15  3:40                           ` Rajesh Venkatasubramanian
2004-04-15  6:23                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-15 10:26                               ` Hugh Dickins
2004-04-15 12:52                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-04-15 15:40                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-15 16:55                                   ` Hugh Dickins
2004-04-15 17:14                                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-15 17:50                                       ` Hugh Dickins
2004-04-15 18:42                                         ` Dave McCracken
     [not found]                                         ` <192710000.1082052992@flay>
2004-04-15 18:47                                           ` Rajesh Venkatasubramanian
2004-04-15 22:40                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-04-15 22:33                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-04-15 13:00                             ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2004-04-15 14:41                               ` Rajesh Venkatasubramanian

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