From: "Jörn Engel" <joern@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de>
To: "Richard B. Johnson" <root@chaos.analogic.com>
Cc: Timothy Miller <miller@techsource.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: File system compression, not at the block layer
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:22:24 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040426102224.GE2938@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0404231624010.1352@chaos>
On Fri, 23 April 2004 16:34:21 -0400, Richard B. Johnson wrote:
>
> If you want to have fast disks, then you should do what I
> suggested to Digital 20 years ago when they had ST-506
> interfaces and SCSI was available only from third-parties.
> It was called "striping" (I'm serious!). Not the so-called
> RAID crap that took the original idea and destroyed it.
> If you have 32-bits, you design an interface board for 32
> disks. The interface board strips each bit to the data that
> each disk gets. That makes the whole array 32 times faster
> than a single drive and, of course, 32 times larger.
>
> There is no redundancy in such an array, just brute-force
> speed. One can add additional bits and CRC correction which
> would allow the failure (or removal) of one drive at a time.
...and so you add latency to the ever-growing list of concepts you
publically prove to be unaware of.
Those 32 disks now have something like 32x50MB/s or 1.6GB/s, great.
Seek time is still 10ms, though, so now each seek costs as much as
16MB of continuous data transfer. Nice. So readahead will be 64MB,
and disk cache 1GB, just to get rid of some seeks again? Sure.
If you were a little smarter and used the so-called RAID crap, you
would have stripes of about the readahead size (or more) and seeks get
spread up between disks. Sure, transfer speed will usually be lower
than 1.6GB/s, but who cares. The point is that each seek will only
cost you as much as 500kB of continuous transfer.
But like so many other things, you will refuse to understand this as
well, right? Well, at least don't try to convince the unaware,
please.
Jörn
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Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-04-23 17:26 Timothy Miller
2004-04-23 17:30 ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2004-04-23 17:41 ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-04-23 17:57 ` Jörn Engel
2004-04-23 18:14 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-23 18:34 ` Paul Jackson
2004-04-23 20:14 ` Joel Jaeggli
2004-04-23 20:34 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-04-23 20:44 ` Måns Rullgård
2004-04-23 20:59 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-04-23 21:14 ` Ben Greear
2004-04-23 21:25 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-24 4:58 ` Ben Greear
2004-04-27 15:45 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-23 21:18 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-24 1:28 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-24 2:24 ` Tom Vier
2004-04-24 7:36 ` Willy Tarreau
2004-04-24 16:02 ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-04-25 3:05 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-25 7:29 ` Willy Tarreau
2004-04-25 19:50 ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-04-27 15:43 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28 0:29 ` Tom Vier
2004-04-23 21:31 ` Joel Jaeggli
2004-04-23 22:20 ` Ian Stirling
2004-04-23 23:34 ` Paul Jackson
2004-04-27 15:42 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-27 16:02 ` Jörn Engel
2004-04-24 1:18 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-26 10:22 ` Jörn Engel [this message]
2004-04-23 21:15 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-23 21:36 ` Joel Jaeggli
2004-04-27 20:34 ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-28 22:57 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 9:46 ` Jörn Engel
2004-04-29 9:52 ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-29 10:09 ` Jörn Engel
2004-04-29 10:19 ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-29 17:17 ` Tim Connors
2004-04-28 1:00 ` David Lang
2004-04-28 10:09 ` Jörn Engel
2004-04-28 10:21 ` Nikita Danilov
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