From: Jan-Benedict Glaw <jbglaw@lug-owl.de>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Stop the Linux kernel madness
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:24:49 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040618182449.GG20632@lug-owl.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0406181316270.3231@fogarty.jakma.org>
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On Fri, 2004-06-18 13:17:31 -0400, Paul Jakma <paul@clubi.ie>
wrote in message <Pine.LNX.4.60.0406181316270.3231@fogarty.jakma.org>:
> On Fri, 18 Jun 2004, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote:
> >For what I guess, those should better be native Indian speakers...
>
> Hmm, my indian colleagues speak perfect english. Why make this
> comment at all btw...
>From my current view, there's a lot of work being done in and around
India. I think that's a great thing for an upcoming country. However the
sad thing is that those hackers seem to work behind quite closed doors
(or little internet access). I commonly see this situation:
- Nobody (except their bosses) know about their work. It's
nowhere announced, published or discusses.
- They just work, but sometimes miss to *think* about their
work. Why should anybody work on a 2.4.16 codebase if there's
2.4.26 available? Heck, they're missing > 2 years of
development and bug fixes!
- They often ask stupid/bogus questions in such a way that I
think they were poorly prepared by whomever is paying for the
work to do their job. I fear that problems are solved (on a
regular basis) by trial-and-error (and putting 20 people to
solve a single problem) than by first discussing it.
While looking at the questions, my thoughts are typically:
- They could do a *really* good job iff they were better
integrated into LKML and other mailing lists. They need to
read, and they need ask. Starting hacking with no
well-designed idea for a solution is the poorest design of
problem solving I've ever seen.
- A lot of (valueable) work is being done, but LKML and the
vanialla tree will typically never ever see it. It's done, put
into some embedded device, sold, and never ever touched again.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not against Indian people (in fact, I do have
quite some email contacts on regular basis to some eg. Bangladeshi
people). I'm just a little sad about the whole lot of effort that's lost
IMHO on a regular basis, *and* that those guys over there get so little
help (because they seem to not have a steady internet uplink for their
use).
MfG, JBG
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2004-06-18 0:09 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18 0:20 ` Kyle McMartin
2004-06-18 14:51 ` Jesper Juhl
2004-06-18 14:54 ` Jesper Juhl
2004-06-19 2:36 ` Horst von Brand
2004-06-18 0:21 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-06-18 0:27 ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18 0:31 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-06-18 5:51 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-06-18 10:39 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-06-18 15:48 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2004-06-18 17:30 ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-06-18 17:53 ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18 18:28 ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-18 18:23 ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18 18:54 ` Kyle Moffett
2004-06-18 20:31 ` Hannu Savolainen
2004-06-18 21:37 ` Kyle Moffett
2004-06-18 19:08 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-18 19:43 ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-18 19:02 ` Andreas Dilger
2004-06-18 20:12 ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18 19:36 ` Andreas Dilger
2004-06-18 19:40 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-18 20:29 ` David Lang
2004-06-18 20:54 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-20 12:56 ` Hannu Savolainen
2004-06-20 22:11 ` David Lang
2004-06-21 1:16 ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-21 7:07 ` Hannu Savolainen
2004-06-21 7:25 ` Xavier Bestel
2004-06-21 8:27 ` Hannu Savolainen
2004-06-21 13:12 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-06-22 2:06 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-06-22 7:54 ` Hannu Savolainen
2004-06-22 11:19 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-06-22 16:48 ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-22 17:46 ` V13
2004-06-19 16:35 ` Jari Ruusu
2004-06-18 20:46 ` Sam Ravnborg
2004-06-18 20:59 ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18 22:59 ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-06-19 16:36 ` Jari Ruusu
2004-06-19 18:01 ` Roman Zippel
2004-06-19 21:12 ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-06-20 15:43 ` Jari Ruusu
2004-06-18 0:39 ` Andrew Morton
2004-06-18 1:29 ` Nicholas S. Wourms
2004-06-18 8:27 ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-18 14:43 ` Rik van Riel
2004-06-18 15:13 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-06-18 15:33 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 17:17 ` Paul Jakma
2004-06-18 18:24 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw [this message]
2004-06-18 19:02 ` Tim Bird
2004-06-18 19:45 ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-18 19:46 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 20:05 ` Rik van Riel
2004-06-18 20:08 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 21:03 ` jsimmons
2004-06-18 21:10 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 21:13 ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-18 21:38 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 23:18 ` jsimmons
2004-06-19 8:19 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-19 3:34 ` Horst von Brand
2004-06-22 13:24 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 22:05 ` viro
2004-06-18 22:10 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-19 12:42 ` Francois Romieu
2004-06-19 13:55 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-20 10:21 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-06-22 19:34 ` jsimmons
2004-06-18 20:20 ` Tim Bird
2004-06-18 20:50 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 20:05 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 20:03 ` Rik van Riel
2004-06-19 12:09 ` John Jasen
2004-06-19 12:29 ` lkml
[not found] ` <2c0942db040618100264ea6b7d@mail.gmail.com>
2004-06-18 17:27 ` Ray Lee
2004-06-18 20:51 ` Andrew Morton
2004-06-18 21:03 ` Rik van Riel
2004-06-18 21:26 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 21:17 ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-19 20:59 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-06-18 0:44 ` viro
2004-06-18 1:00 ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18 1:20 ` Roman Zippel
2004-06-18 1:33 ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18 10:12 ` Roman Zippel
2004-06-18 17:37 ` Hannu Savolainen
2004-06-18 20:26 ` Roman Zippel
2004-06-18 21:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-18 22:26 ` Matt Domsch
2004-06-18 23:13 ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-19 8:44 ` Hannu Savolainen
2004-06-19 2:59 ` Horst von Brand
2004-06-18 9:57 ` Petr Vandrovec
2004-06-18 13:47 ` Olaf Hering
2004-06-18 14:03 ` Petr Vandrovec
2004-06-18 14:59 ` Duncan Sands
2004-06-18 1:20 ` viro
2004-06-18 1:25 ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-06-18 1:31 ` Nick Piggin
2004-06-18 1:37 ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18 1:41 ` Nick Piggin
2004-06-18 2:17 ` Erik Harrison
2004-06-18 7:45 ` John Bradford
2004-06-18 9:05 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 1:34 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-06-18 10:51 ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-06-18 8:48 ` Flavio Stanchina
2004-06-18 10:25 ` Matthias Andree
2004-06-20 5:28 ` Ryan Anderson
2004-06-20 8:13 ` Jaroslav Kysela
2004-06-22 15:17 ` Matthias Andree
2004-06-22 18:22 ` Bill Davidsen
2004-06-18 15:42 ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-18 1:07 ` thinkliberty
2004-06-18 1:12 ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18 1:21 ` CaT
2004-06-18 1:37 ` Bastiaan Spandaw
2004-06-18 1:46 ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18 2:06 ` Thomas Gleixner
[not found] ` <40D259DD.6020604@opensound.com>
2004-06-18 22:53 ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-06-18 5:54 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 8:50 ` Helge Hafting
2004-06-18 11:05 ` Redeeman
2004-06-18 15:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-18 15:51 ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-18 16:53 ` Alex Goddard
2004-06-18 15:46 ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-18 6:40 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-06-18 8:10 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2004-06-18 15:34 ` Timothy Miller
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2004-06-18 19:47 ` Pete Zaitcev
2004-06-19 16:35 ` Jari Ruusu
2004-06-19 20:52 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-06-20 15:43 ` Jari Ruusu
2004-06-20 20:44 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
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2006-10-08 4:55 ` Adrian Bunk
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2006-10-08 6:39 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-10-08 7:45 ` Pekka Enberg
2006-10-08 17:28 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-10-08 17:34 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-10-08 17:59 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-10-08 18:04 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-10-08 18:15 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-10-08 18:22 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-10-09 1:49 ` Horst H. von Brand
2004-06-22 14:38 Stop the Linux kernel madness Petr Vandrovec
2004-06-22 15:12 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-22 17:32 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-06-22 18:42 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-22 19:52 ` Petr Vandrovec
2004-06-23 14:58 ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-23 15:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-06-23 16:03 ` Petr Vandrovec
2004-06-23 18:26 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-06-23 18:27 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-05-28 1:55 ftp.kernel.org Ricky Beam
2004-05-28 2:29 ` ftp.kernel.org Martin J. Bligh
2004-05-28 4:21 ` ftp.kernel.org Ricky Beam
2004-05-28 8:41 ` ftp.kernel.org Mark Watts
2004-05-28 6:21 ` ftp.kernel.org Chris Shoemaker
2004-05-28 15:01 ` ftp.kernel.org Theodore Ts'o
2004-05-28 16:32 ` ftp.kernel.org Andreas Dilger
2004-05-29 15:30 ` ftp.kernel.org Daniel Egger
2004-05-30 0:29 ` ftp.kernel.org H. Peter Anvin
2004-05-30 9:43 ` ftp.kernel.org Andrew Walrond
2004-06-13 22:22 ` ftp.kernel.org Pedro Larroy
2004-05-28 19:08 ` ftp.kernel.org Chris Shoemaker
2004-05-28 22:15 ` ftp.kernel.org H. Peter Anvin
2004-05-28 8:55 ` ftp.kernel.org Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-05-28 11:10 ` ftp.kernel.org Mark Watts
2004-05-28 13:57 ` ftp.kernel.org Keith Owens
2004-05-28 22:16 ` ftp.kernel.org H. Peter Anvin
2004-05-29 21:05 ` ftp.kernel.org Horst von Brand
2004-05-30 6:52 ` ftp.kernel.org H. Peter Anvin
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