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From: David Lang <david.lang@digitalinsight.com>
To: Hannu Savolainen <hannu@opensound.com>
Cc: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, 4Front Technologies <dev@opensound.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Stop the Linux kernel madness
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:11:15 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0406201506360.6470@dlang.diginsite.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0406191148570.30038@zeus.compusonic.fi>

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, Hannu Savolainen wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Jun 2004, David Lang wrote:
>
>> by the way there's useually a *version file in /etc that tells you what
>> version of a particular distro you are running on (or at least what it was
>> before it got tweaked)
> It's usually possible to figure out the distribution and version by
> looking at /etc/issue. However it's impossible to figure out who has made
> the kernel image. It's possible to identify Mandrake kernels and few
> others. However in general all kernel versions look the same.

ueing /etc/issue is a BAD idea, while that may work for completely 
unmodified systems, many companies require legalese be put in there.

> The current situation is that every company who like to ship open source
> drivers with their hardware will have to automatically detect large
> amount of kernel and distribution combinations and try to decide which
> kind of installation approach is needed. After everything is settled then
> some distribution changes it's interfaces and the circus begins once
> again. Finally when a change is made to the installation procedure then
> how to test if it still works with all 100 or 200 different systems and
> kernel images that have already been tested during past years.

or they need to go through the process of getting their driver included in 
the main kernel and these headaches go away.

> I think many persons reading this list don't realize that a significant
> number of Linux installations are still using 7.x or even 6.x versions of
> whatever distribution they had originally installed in the system.
> Companies doing Linux software (be it open source or closed source) need
> to support them in addition to the state of the art distributions. So
> would it be too much to ask that kernels based on the same major version
> do certain things in the same way.

it's less likly that the people running the 6.x distros are going to be 
installing the latest and greatest hardware that needs the new 
out-of-kernel driver, but if you think you need to create modules that 
will work with every kernel since 2.0 have fun.

David Lang

-- 
"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan

  reply	other threads:[~2004-06-20 22:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 181+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-06-18  0:09 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18  0:20 ` Kyle McMartin
2004-06-18 14:51   ` Jesper Juhl
2004-06-18 14:54     ` Jesper Juhl
2004-06-19  2:36     ` Horst von Brand
2004-06-18  0:21 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-06-18  0:27   ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18  0:31     ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-06-18  5:51     ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-06-18 10:39     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-06-18 15:48     ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2004-06-18 17:30       ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-06-18 17:53       ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18 18:28         ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-18 18:23           ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18 18:54             ` Kyle Moffett
2004-06-18 20:31               ` Hannu Savolainen
2004-06-18 21:37                 ` Kyle Moffett
2004-06-18 19:08             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-18 19:43             ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-18 19:02         ` Andreas Dilger
2004-06-18 20:12           ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18 19:36             ` Andreas Dilger
2004-06-18 19:40             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-18 20:29               ` David Lang
2004-06-18 20:54                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-20 12:56                 ` Hannu Savolainen
2004-06-20 22:11                   ` David Lang [this message]
2004-06-21  1:16                     ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-21  7:07                       ` Hannu Savolainen
2004-06-21  7:25                         ` Xavier Bestel
2004-06-21  8:27                           ` Hannu Savolainen
2004-06-21 13:12                             ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-06-22  2:06                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-06-22  7:54                         ` Hannu Savolainen
2004-06-22 11:19                           ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-06-22 16:48                             ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-22 17:46                           ` V13
2004-06-19 16:35       ` Jari Ruusu
2004-06-18 20:46     ` Sam Ravnborg
2004-06-18 20:59       ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18 22:59         ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-06-19 16:36       ` Jari Ruusu
2004-06-19 18:01         ` Roman Zippel
2004-06-19 21:12           ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-06-20 15:43           ` Jari Ruusu
2004-06-18  0:39 ` Andrew Morton
2004-06-18  1:29   ` Nicholas S. Wourms
2004-06-18  8:27   ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-18 14:43     ` Rik van Riel
2004-06-18 15:13       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-06-18 15:33         ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 17:17           ` Paul Jakma
2004-06-18 18:24             ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 19:02           ` Tim Bird
2004-06-18 19:45             ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-18 19:46               ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 20:05             ` Rik van Riel
2004-06-18 20:08               ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 21:03                 ` jsimmons
2004-06-18 21:10                   ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 21:13                     ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-18 21:38                       ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 23:18                         ` jsimmons
2004-06-19  8:19                           ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-19  3:34                         ` Horst von Brand
2004-06-22 13:24                           ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 22:05                   ` viro
2004-06-18 22:10                     ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-19 12:42                   ` Francois Romieu
2004-06-19 13:55                     ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-20 10:21                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-06-22 19:34                     ` jsimmons
2004-06-18 20:20               ` Tim Bird
2004-06-18 20:50                 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 20:05             ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 20:03           ` Rik van Riel
2004-06-19 12:09           ` John Jasen
2004-06-19 12:29             ` lkml
     [not found]       ` <2c0942db040618100264ea6b7d@mail.gmail.com>
2004-06-18 17:27         ` Ray Lee
2004-06-18 20:51       ` Andrew Morton
2004-06-18 21:03         ` Rik van Riel
2004-06-18 21:26           ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18 21:17         ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-19 20:59           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-06-18  0:44 ` viro
2004-06-18  1:00   ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18  1:20     ` Roman Zippel
2004-06-18  1:33       ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18 10:12         ` Roman Zippel
2004-06-18 17:37           ` Hannu Savolainen
2004-06-18 20:26             ` Roman Zippel
2004-06-18 21:52             ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-18 22:26               ` Matt Domsch
2004-06-18 23:13                 ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-19  8:44               ` Hannu Savolainen
2004-06-19  2:59             ` Horst von Brand
2004-06-18  9:57       ` Petr Vandrovec
2004-06-18 13:47         ` Olaf Hering
2004-06-18 14:03           ` Petr Vandrovec
2004-06-18 14:59             ` Duncan Sands
2004-06-18  1:20     ` viro
2004-06-18  1:25     ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-06-18  1:31     ` Nick Piggin
2004-06-18  1:37       ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18  1:41         ` Nick Piggin
2004-06-18  2:17         ` Erik Harrison
2004-06-18  7:45         ` John Bradford
2004-06-18  9:05           ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18  1:34     ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-06-18 10:51       ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-06-18  8:48     ` Flavio Stanchina
2004-06-18 10:25     ` Matthias Andree
2004-06-20  5:28       ` Ryan Anderson
2004-06-20  8:13         ` Jaroslav Kysela
2004-06-22 15:17         ` Matthias Andree
2004-06-22 18:22           ` Bill Davidsen
2004-06-18 15:42     ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-18  1:07 ` thinkliberty
2004-06-18  1:12   ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18  1:21     ` CaT
2004-06-18  1:37     ` Bastiaan Spandaw
2004-06-18  1:46       ` 4Front Technologies
2004-06-18  2:06         ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]           ` <40D259DD.6020604@opensound.com>
2004-06-18 22:53             ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-06-18  5:54         ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-18  8:50         ` Helge Hafting
2004-06-18 11:05         ` Redeeman
2004-06-18 15:25         ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-18 15:51         ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-18 16:53           ` Alex Goddard
2004-06-18 15:46     ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-18  6:40 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-06-18  8:10 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2004-06-18 15:34 ` Timothy Miller
     [not found] ` <mailman.1087541100.18231.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2004-06-18 19:47   ` Pete Zaitcev
2004-06-19 16:35     ` Jari Ruusu
2004-06-19 20:52       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-06-20 15:43         ` Jari Ruusu
2004-06-20 20:44           ` Andreas Gruenbacher
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-10-08  4:43 2.6.19-rc1: known regressions (v2) Trond Myklebust
2006-10-08  4:55 ` Adrian Bunk
     [not found]   ` <1160283948.10192.3.camel@lade.trondhjem.org>
2006-10-08  6:39     ` Adrian Bunk
2006-10-08  7:45       ` Pekka Enberg
2006-10-08 17:28         ` Adrian Bunk
2006-10-08 17:34           ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-10-08 17:59             ` Adrian Bunk
2006-10-08 18:04               ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-10-08 18:15                 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-10-08 18:22                   ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-10-09  1:49             ` Horst H. von Brand
2004-06-22 14:38 Stop the Linux kernel madness Petr Vandrovec
2004-06-22 15:12 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-22 17:32   ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-06-22 18:42     ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-06-22 19:52       ` Petr Vandrovec
2004-06-23 14:58       ` Timothy Miller
2004-06-23 15:03         ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-06-23 16:03           ` Petr Vandrovec
2004-06-23 18:26             ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-06-23 18:27               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-05-28  1:55 ftp.kernel.org Ricky Beam
2004-05-28  2:29 ` ftp.kernel.org Martin J. Bligh
2004-05-28  4:21   ` ftp.kernel.org Ricky Beam
2004-05-28  8:41     ` ftp.kernel.org Mark Watts
2004-05-28  6:21       ` ftp.kernel.org Chris Shoemaker
2004-05-28 15:01         ` ftp.kernel.org Theodore Ts'o
2004-05-28 16:32           ` ftp.kernel.org Andreas Dilger
2004-05-29 15:30             ` ftp.kernel.org Daniel Egger
2004-05-30  0:29               ` ftp.kernel.org H. Peter Anvin
2004-05-30  9:43                 ` ftp.kernel.org Andrew Walrond
2004-06-13 22:22                 ` ftp.kernel.org Pedro Larroy
2004-05-28 19:08           ` ftp.kernel.org Chris Shoemaker
2004-05-28 22:15           ` ftp.kernel.org H. Peter Anvin
2004-05-28  8:55       ` ftp.kernel.org Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-05-28 11:10         ` ftp.kernel.org Mark Watts
2004-05-28 13:57           ` ftp.kernel.org Keith Owens
2004-05-28 22:16           ` ftp.kernel.org H. Peter Anvin
2004-05-29 21:05         ` ftp.kernel.org Horst von Brand
2004-05-30  6:52           ` ftp.kernel.org H. Peter Anvin
2004-05-28 22:17 ` ftp.kernel.org H. Peter Anvin

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