From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@gmail.com>,
ncunningham@linuxmail.org,
Carl-Daniel Hailfinger <c-d.hailfinger.devel.2005@gmx.net>,
ACPI List <acpi-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: Re: [ACPI] Samsung P35, S3, black screen (radeon))
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:31:23 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050210193123.GC1391@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <420BB267.8060108@tmr.com>
Hi!
> >>Rumors say that notebooks no longer have video bios at C000h:0; rumors
> >>say that video BIOS on notebooks is simply integrated into main system
> >>BIOS. I personaly do not know if rumors are true, but PCs are ugly
> >>machines....
> >>
> >
> >
> >A small number of laptop systems are known to pull this trick. There are
> >other problems too - the video bios boot may make other assumptions
> >about access to PCI space, configuration, interrupts, timers etc.
> >
> >Some systems (intel notably) appear to expect you to use the bios
> >save/restore video state not re-POST.
>
> Isn't that what it's there for? In any context other than save/restore I
> wouldn't think using the BIOS was a good approach. But this is a special
> case, and if there's a BIOS function which does the right thing, it
> would seem to be easier to assume that the BIOS works than that the
> driver can do every operation for a clean restart.
>
> The problem is that while POST leaves the video in a known state, it may
> not the known state you want, nor is it a given that you can get from
> there to where you were on suspend. PC hardware isn't always that
> dependable.
Eh? POST leaves video in 80x25 text mode, and we know how to handle
that mode just fine... Historically that's what we ran our consoles
at, so X can handle it etc.
Pavel
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2005-02-04 2:35 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2005-02-04 2:51 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-02-04 7:18 ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-04 7:44 ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-04 17:38 ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-05 0:52 ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2005-02-05 1:08 ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-05 9:35 ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: Re: [ACPI] Samsung P35, S3, black screen (radeon)) Pavel Machek
2005-02-05 11:35 ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume Ondrej Zary
2005-02-06 16:02 ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: Re: [ACPI] Samsung P35, S3, black screen (radeon)) Alan Cox
2005-02-07 2:11 ` Adam Sulmicki
2005-02-07 14:27 ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume Paulo Marques
2005-02-07 14:36 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2005-02-07 15:39 ` Paulo Marques
2005-02-07 16:01 ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-07 16:20 ` Li-Ta Lo
2005-02-11 1:47 ` [ACPI] " Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2005-02-07 18:04 ` Adam Sulmicki
2005-02-07 16:39 ` Li-Ta Lo
2005-02-07 13:24 ` [ACPI] Re: [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: Re: [ACPI] Samsung P35, S3, black screen (radeon)) Matthew Garrett
2005-02-07 14:09 ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-10 19:13 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-02-10 19:25 ` Ville Syrjälä
2005-02-10 20:08 ` Matthew Garrett
2005-02-10 20:17 ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-10 20:29 ` Matthew Garrett
2005-02-10 20:34 ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-10 20:46 ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume Kendall Bennett
2005-02-10 21:06 ` Matthew Garrett
2005-02-10 21:20 ` Kendall Bennett
2005-02-10 21:28 ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-10 22:53 ` Matthew Garrett
2005-02-11 1:41 ` [ACPI] " Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2005-02-10 20:32 ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: Re: [ACPI] Samsung P35, S3, black screen (radeon)) Ville Syrjälä
2005-02-10 19:31 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2005-02-10 23:03 ` Matan Ziv-Av
2005-02-07 19:27 ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-02-07 20:59 ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-04 5:03 ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-04 7:49 ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-04 12:17 ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2005-02-04 13:51 ` [ACPI] " Matthew Garrett
2005-02-04 16:30 ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-04 17:31 ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-04 18:10 ` Jesse Barnes
2005-02-04 20:29 ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-04 22:13 ` James Simmons
2005-02-04 21:56 ` James Simmons
2005-02-04 22:59 ` Legacy IO spaces (was Re: [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume) Jon Smirl
2005-02-04 23:34 ` Jesse Barnes
2005-02-05 0:48 ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-05 22:42 ` [ACPI] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-02-06 0:17 ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-06 0:07 ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-06 0:19 ` Jesse Barnes
2005-02-05 2:04 ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume Matthew Garrett
2005-02-05 2:09 ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-05 2:17 ` Matthew Garrett
2005-02-05 2:30 ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-05 8:15 ` Matthew Garrett
2005-02-05 11:53 ` Ondrej Zary
2005-02-05 12:28 ` Matthew Garrett
2005-02-05 15:47 ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-05 16:48 ` [ACPI] " Stefan Dösinger
2005-02-05 17:38 ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-06 11:05 ` Stefan Dösinger
2005-02-07 10:20 ` Helge Hafting
2005-02-07 14:22 ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-05 15:55 ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-05 9:37 ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-05 9:49 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-02-05 15:49 ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-04 22:09 ` James Simmons
2005-02-05 1:07 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2005-02-05 1:14 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2005-02-04 14:40 ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: Re: [ACPI] Samsung P35, S3, black screen (radeon)) Xavier Bestel
2005-02-05 1:10 ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2005-02-04 7:48 ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: Re: [ACPI] Samsung P35, S3, black screen (radeon)) Pavel Machek
2005-02-04 10:26 ` Oliver Neukum
2005-02-04 11:32 ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2005-02-04 12:11 ` [ACPI] " David Goodenough
2005-02-04 16:15 ` Pavel Machek
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