From: Jesse Barnes <jbarnes@engr.sgi.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
David Lang <david.lang@digitalinsight.com>,
Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
OGAWA Hirofumi <hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp>,
Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
benh@kernel.crashing.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: dmesg verbosity [was Re: AGP bogosities]
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:27:20 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200503140927.21552.jbarnes@engr.sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0503140907380.6119@ppc970.osdl.org>
On Monday, March 14, 2005 9:18 am, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> In fact, even the ones that have no "information" end up often being a big
> clue about where the hang happened.
Yeah, I use the startup output all the time for stuff like that, no question
it's useful.
> And those occasional people are often not going to eb very good at
> reporting bugs. If they don't see anything happening, they'll just give up
> rather than bother to report it. So I do think we want the fairly verbose
> thing enabled by default. You can then hide it with the graphical bootup
> for "most people".
Ok, and for the development kernel that makes a lot of sense. But as we've
seen from this thread, leaving in old printks that were once useful but no
longer are tends to clutter things up and hide real errors. I'd like to see
us get better about that--reporting real errors better and keeping the junk
to a minimum.
Jesse
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-03-14 17:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-03-11 1:24 AGP bogosities Paul Mackerras
2005-03-11 2:04 ` Jesse Barnes
2005-03-11 2:11 ` Paul Mackerras
2005-03-11 2:18 ` Jesse Barnes
2005-03-11 2:38 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-11 4:02 ` Jesse Barnes
2005-03-11 4:30 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-11 16:39 ` Jesse Barnes
2005-03-11 17:59 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2005-03-11 18:04 ` Jesse Barnes
2005-03-12 3:27 ` Mike Werner
2005-03-12 3:58 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-13 3:13 ` Jesse Barnes
2005-03-13 4:08 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-13 4:28 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-11 22:43 ` Paul Mackerras
2005-03-11 23:22 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2005-03-12 0:12 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-12 1:34 ` Paul Mackerras
2005-03-11 18:04 ` James Simmons
2005-03-11 18:08 ` Jesse Barnes
2005-03-11 2:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-11 2:12 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-11 2:18 ` Paul Mackerras
2005-03-11 2:23 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-11 2:40 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-11 2:49 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-12 20:49 ` Greg KH
2005-03-11 2:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-11 22:18 ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2005-03-11 22:26 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-11 22:33 ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-03-11 23:52 ` Gene Heskett
2005-03-11 22:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-11 23:09 ` Paul Mackerras
2005-03-12 0:06 ` Gene Heskett
2005-03-14 8:17 ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-14 8:27 ` David Lang
2005-03-14 8:37 ` dmesg verbosity [was Re: AGP bogosities] Pavel Machek
2005-03-14 16:55 ` Jesse Barnes
2005-03-14 17:03 ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-14 17:17 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-14 17:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-14 17:27 ` Jesse Barnes [this message]
2005-03-14 17:27 ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-15 20:18 ` Greg Stark
2005-03-14 18:12 ` Diego Calleja
2005-03-14 19:07 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-20 6:44 ` David Lang
2005-03-23 0:37 ` Diego Calleja
2005-03-23 0:53 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-23 1:13 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-23 1:29 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-23 8:21 ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2005-03-23 16:14 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-23 16:49 ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2005-03-23 17:17 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-23 14:10 ` Diego Calleja
2005-03-23 8:19 ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2005-03-30 9:45 ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-23 0:53 ` Zan Lynx
2005-03-23 0:55 ` Grant Coady
2005-03-14 21:55 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-14 22:08 ` David Lang
2005-03-15 0:02 ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-11 22:42 ` AGP bogosities Dmitry Torokhov
2005-03-11 22:47 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-03-12 17:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-12 22:26 ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2005-03-12 22:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-11 2:35 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-11 2:43 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-11 2:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-11 22:11 ` J.A. Magallon
2005-03-11 22:18 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-11 22:46 ` J.A. Magallon
2005-03-11 23:16 ` Martin Schlemmer
2005-03-11 23:17 ` J.A. Magallon
2005-03-11 23:23 ` Martin Schlemmer
2005-03-11 23:24 ` J.A. Magallon
2005-03-30 10:19 dmesg verbosity [was Re: AGP bogosities] tvrtko.ursulin
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