From: Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>
To: Jim Nance <jlnance@sdf.lonestar.org>
Cc: davidsen@tmr.com, davej@redhat.com, willy@w.ods.org,
akpm@osdl.org, jfbeam@bluetronic.net,
nico-kernel@schottelius.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: /proc/cpuinfo format - arch dependent!
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 00:13:27 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050510001327.5197dd21.pj@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050510022301.GA13763@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG>
Jim wrote:
> I see two problems with encouraging applications to get involved
> with processor selection.
I suspect you are confusing "application" with "not kernel".
There are basically three layers of software on big systems:
1) kernel
2) administration (system services, libraries and utilities)
3) application
Something like a batch manager is an example in layer (2) that needs
extensive knowledge of a systems hardware, and extensive ability to
manage exactly what runs and allocates where.
Large systems very much expect to manage what threads run where. These
API's are already present - check out sched_setaffinity, mbind,
set_mempolicy, and cpusets. The details of what hardware is where,
including memory, processor and interconnect, are also there as well, in
various /proc and /sys files.
No - we don't expect the application to know all this. But we absolutely
require that various admin level programs know this stuff in intimate
detail, and enable the administration of large systems in a variety of
ways.
--
I won't rest till it's the best ...
Programmer, Linux Scalability
Paul Jackson <pj@engr.sgi.com> 1.650.933.1373, 1.925.600.0401
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-05-10 7:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-04-19 12:15 Nico Schottelius
2005-04-19 13:24 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-04-19 19:17 ` Lee Revell
2005-04-19 20:00 ` Nico Schottelius
2005-04-19 20:02 ` David S. Miller
2005-04-19 20:12 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-04-19 20:42 ` Lee Revell
2005-04-19 20:54 ` Nico Schottelius
2005-04-19 21:12 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2005-04-20 20:31 ` Ralf Baechle
2005-05-07 3:37 ` Ricky Beam
2005-05-07 4:01 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2005-05-07 7:55 ` Ricky Beam
2005-05-07 17:51 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2005-05-07 18:05 ` Ricky Beam
2005-05-07 18:46 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2005-05-07 4:14 ` Andrew Morton
2005-05-07 7:58 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-05-07 16:53 ` Dave Jones
2005-05-07 17:05 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-05-07 17:20 ` Dave Jones
2005-05-07 17:18 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-05-08 1:25 ` Jim Nance
2005-05-08 16:11 ` John Kacur
2005-05-09 18:14 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-05-09 20:09 ` Chris Friesen
2005-05-09 20:26 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-05-09 21:25 ` Brian O'Mahoney
2005-05-10 16:21 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-05-10 16:34 ` Chris Friesen
2005-05-10 2:23 ` Jim Nance
2005-05-10 4:12 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-05-10 7:13 ` Paul Jackson [this message]
2005-05-10 16:34 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-05-07 17:54 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2005-05-07 18:05 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-05-09 18:03 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-05-10 7:21 ` Paul Jackson
2005-05-10 14:38 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-05-10 16:37 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-05-09 18:00 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-05-09 19:58 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-05-10 16:49 ` Bill Davidsen
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2005-05-07 23:33 ` Bodo Eggert <harvested.in.lkml@posting.7eggert.dyndns.org>
2005-05-08 13:24 ` Andi Kleen
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