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From: lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Lennart Sorensen)
To: "Michael H. Warfield" <mhw@wittsend.com>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Sync option destroys flash!
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 09:30:25 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050517133025.GC23621@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1116032735.5461.46.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 09:05:34PM -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> 	Yah know...  I've been thinking about this...  In a former life, we use
> to do something very similar with a virtual memory system on some real
> early (80's vintage) networked VM workstations (back when memory was
> actually valuable and scarce).
> 
> 	So...  This would have to work with a list or pool of "spares" that are
> not allocated to the "visible" file system.  We used a "least used"
> algorithm for that VM system.  This would seem to be a "replace as
> rewritten" algorithm.  Each time you write to the file system, it grabs
> a block off the head of the spares list, writes your data to it, and
> then adds the old block to the tail of the list.  Pretty basic stuff and
> it doesn't have to track what kind of high level file system you are
> using or know anything about its structure.  Cool...

Really good wearleveling will even move blocks that "never" seem to
change to the more used blocks ones in a while to spread out the wear to
blocks that have static content in them.  After all if 90% of your flash
never changes, and you run a log in the last 10%, you will still wear
out that 10% first if you don't occationally move some of the static
content to the 10% with some wear, and start running your log on the
previously unused area.

I was told by someone from SanDisk that this is how _some_ of their
flash media work (at least on the new ones).

I was actually surprised since I assumed at the time this was how all of
the CF cards worked.

Len Sorensen

  reply	other threads:[~2005-05-17 13:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-05-13 16:20 Michael H. Warfield
2005-05-13 17:17 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-05-13 17:53   ` Michael H. Warfield
2005-05-13 18:09     ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-05-13 18:21       ` Michael H. Warfield
2005-05-13 18:26         ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-05-13 18:52           ` Flash device types Mark Rustad
2005-05-13 18:53           ` Sync option destroys flash! Michael H. Warfield
2005-05-13 17:58   ` Zan Lynx
2005-05-13 18:13     ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-05-13 18:40 ` Alan Cox
2005-05-13 19:10   ` Michael H. Warfield
2005-05-13 22:00     ` Alan Cox
2005-05-13 22:22       ` Måns Rullgård
2005-05-13 23:24         ` Jon Masters
2005-05-13 23:01       ` Jeffrey Hundstad
2005-05-13 23:27         ` Jon Masters
2005-05-14 10:17       ` Jörn Engel
2005-05-14  1:05   ` Michael H. Warfield
2005-05-17 13:30     ` Lennart Sorensen [this message]
2005-05-13 21:25 ` Lee Revell
2005-05-13 22:43   ` Alan Cox
2005-05-15 19:00 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-05-16  0:23   ` Mark Lord
2005-05-16  9:29     ` David Woodhouse
2005-05-16 16:42       ` Pavel Machek
2005-05-16 13:01     ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-05-16 23:18   ` Helge Hafting
2005-05-18  7:03     ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-05-17  7:59 ` Colin Leroy
     [not found] <43Ldl-NM-25@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <43M9s-1B8-39@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <43MCx-1UF-27@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <43MVz-2hL-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-05-13 23:59       ` Robert Hancock
2005-05-14  2:43 linux
2005-05-17 13:36 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-05-17 20:31   ` linux
2005-05-17 20:43     ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-05-18 13:37     ` Lennart Sorensen
     [not found] <43UT5-jT-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-05-14  4:34 ` Robert Hancock
2005-05-18 11:13 linux
2005-05-18 12:01 ` Richard B. Johnson

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