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From: Bill Huey (hui) <bhuey@lnxw.com>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
Cc: Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@us.ibm.com>,
	Tim Bird <tim.bird@am.sony.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, bhuey@lnxw.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
	karim@opersys.com, mingo@elte.hu, pmarques@grupopie.com,
	bruce@andrew.cmu.edu, nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au, ak@muc.de,
	sdietrich@mvista.com, dwalker@mvista.com, hch@infradead.org,
	akpm@osdl.org
Subject: Re: Attempted summary of "RT patch acceptance" thread
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:19:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050610221914.GA20694@nietzsche.lynx.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050610210614.GD6564@g5.random>

On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 11:06:14PM +0200, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 04:45:38PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> > AFAICT even RTAI would be affected, because X lets userspace drivers
> > talk directly to the hardware including wedging the PCI bus.
> 
> Yes, I made the usb example exactly to show how latency bugs can be
> longstanding in the kernel too without requiring X or hardware bugs
> (this usb thing breaks kernel latency for years and yet nobody fixed it
> simply because it just works fine in practice, I noticed because

...

That's because it puts much more stress on the Linux kernel than before.
It's going to take some time to log, audit and fix these issues, but
fixing them after discovery isn't really a big deal as you make it. The
hyperbole where drivers screw with latency is finite. This is a very
managable problem. Again, this a problem for all RTOS system and their
supporting drivers as well since they often come from BSD open source
community.

bill


  reply	other threads:[~2005-06-10 22:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-06-08  2:26 Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-08  3:00 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-08 14:47   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-08 16:51 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-09  2:25   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-09 11:20   ` Philippe Gerum
2005-06-08 18:46 ` Chris Friesen
2005-06-08 19:28   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 22:25     ` Eric Piel
2005-06-10 23:04       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 23:23         ` Eric Piel
2005-06-11  0:59           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11  1:38             ` Eric Piel
2005-06-11  1:47               ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-09 23:34 ` Tim Bird
2005-06-09 23:50   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10  2:59     ` Lee Revell
2005-06-10 15:47       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 17:37         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-10 19:39           ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 19:41             ` Lee Revell
2005-06-10 20:26             ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-10 22:37               ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 22:43                 ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 22:52                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-10 23:00                   ` Flames go here (was Re: Attempted summary of "RT patch acceptance" thread) Lee Revell
2005-06-10 23:08                   ` Attempted summary of "RT patch acceptance" thread Bill Huey
2005-06-10 23:29                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-11  1:41                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11  1:50                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-11  2:06                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11 15:54                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-11 21:04                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11 23:48                             ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-12 17:06                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-12 21:45                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13  1:35                                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 14:40                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13 19:49                                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 20:03                                       ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-13 20:21                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13 20:26                                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 20:23                                           ` Lee Revell
2005-06-13 20:28                                           ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-13 22:00                                             ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 22:11                                               ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 22:18                                                 ` Bill Huey
2005-06-13 22:28                                                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 22:29                                                     ` Bill Huey
2005-06-13 22:55                                                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-14  1:13                                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-06-14  2:07                                                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-14  2:35                                                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-06-14  2:37                                                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-06-14  3:24                                                               ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-14 16:41                                                         ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-06-14 19:20                                                           ` Bill Huey
2005-06-14 19:35                                                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-06-14 21:29                                                               ` Gene Heskett
2005-06-14 20:19                                                             ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-06-14  7:00                                               ` Eugeny S. Mints
2005-06-14 16:09                                               ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-06-14 16:47                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-13 20:38                                         ` Bill Huey
2005-06-13 20:10                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13 20:31                                         ` Bill Huey
2005-06-13 20:58                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13 20:34                                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 21:02                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-12 17:01                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-12 18:43                               ` Lee Revell
2005-06-12 19:12                                 ` Bill Huey
2005-06-11  5:23                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-11 17:24                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-10 20:22           ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-10 20:45           ` Lee Revell
2005-06-10 21:06             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-10 22:19               ` Bill Huey [this message]
2005-06-10 22:37                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-10 22:49                   ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-10 23:01                   ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 23:05                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-10 23:15                       ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 23:16             ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 23:26               ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 23:36                 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-06-10 23:41                   ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 23:46                     ` Lee Revell
2005-06-11  1:07                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11 15:16                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-11 20:32                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11  0:48           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 20:38         ` Lee Revell
2005-06-10 23:12           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-08 15:54 Eric Piel
2005-06-09  2:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 21:58   ` Eric Piel
2005-06-11  1:55     ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13 22:20 Saksena, Manas
2005-06-13 22:42 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 22:44   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 22:43 ` Bill Huey
2005-06-13 22:43 Saksena, Manas

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