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From: Bill Huey (hui) <bhuey@lnxw.com>
To: Karim Yaghmour <karim@opersys.com>
Cc: "Bill Huey (hui)" <bhuey@lnxw.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@us.ibm.com>,
	Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>,
	Tim Bird <tim.bird@am.sony.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@elte.hu,
	pmarques@grupopie.com, bruce@andrew.cmu.edu,
	nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au, ak@muc.de, sdietrich@mvista.com,
	dwalker@mvista.com, hch@infradead.org, akpm@osdl.org
Subject: Re: Attempted summary of "RT patch acceptance" thread
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:37:24 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050610223724.GA20853@nietzsche.lynx.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <42A9F788.2040107@opersys.com>

On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 04:26:48PM -0400, Karim Yaghmour wrote:
> Bill, I know PREEMPT_RT is something you root for strongly. FWIW, however,
> such statements are usually counter-productive.

Some of the comments from various folks are just intolerably paranoid
and I'm frustrated by that.

> The existence of real-time monolithic kernels is not disputed. Note, though,
> that LynxOS is controlled by a single corporation and its development
> model could not be compared in any way to Linux. Because of Linux's

Well, as a dude that hangs with the LynxOS engineering staff in cubicals
next to me, I can say that development here is really no different than
any other kernel community that I've run into, open or closed. We're all
kernel engineers except with maybe a difference in emphasis on what is
important at any given time.

> development model, what others are attempting to explain (Andrea included,
> I think), the reality is that the auditing/upgrading you speak of is unlikely
> to ever become part of the development philosophy.

But it already has. This RT group doesn't need the whole community to jump
on it. We can do it ourselves and submit the changes to an upstream trees
where relevant.
 
> I don't contest the fact that those promoting PREEMPT_RT intend to conduct
> this auditing for the drivers that are of interest to their development.

Yeah, but that's just you and folks that have been friendly to this effort.
The rest is another story altogether.

> That, though, doesn't mean that those who are maintaining existing driver
> sets want to take part in that.

bill


  reply	other threads:[~2005-06-10 22:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-06-08  2:26 Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-08  3:00 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-08 14:47   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-08 16:51 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-09  2:25   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-09 11:20   ` Philippe Gerum
2005-06-08 18:46 ` Chris Friesen
2005-06-08 19:28   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 22:25     ` Eric Piel
2005-06-10 23:04       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 23:23         ` Eric Piel
2005-06-11  0:59           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11  1:38             ` Eric Piel
2005-06-11  1:47               ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-09 23:34 ` Tim Bird
2005-06-09 23:50   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10  2:59     ` Lee Revell
2005-06-10 15:47       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 17:37         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-10 19:39           ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 19:41             ` Lee Revell
2005-06-10 20:26             ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-10 22:37               ` Bill Huey [this message]
2005-06-10 22:43                 ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 22:52                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-10 23:00                   ` Flames go here (was Re: Attempted summary of "RT patch acceptance" thread) Lee Revell
2005-06-10 23:08                   ` Attempted summary of "RT patch acceptance" thread Bill Huey
2005-06-10 23:29                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-11  1:41                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11  1:50                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-11  2:06                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11 15:54                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-11 21:04                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11 23:48                             ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-12 17:06                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-12 21:45                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13  1:35                                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 14:40                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13 19:49                                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 20:03                                       ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-13 20:21                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13 20:26                                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 20:23                                           ` Lee Revell
2005-06-13 20:28                                           ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-13 22:00                                             ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 22:11                                               ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 22:18                                                 ` Bill Huey
2005-06-13 22:28                                                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 22:29                                                     ` Bill Huey
2005-06-13 22:55                                                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-14  1:13                                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-06-14  2:07                                                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-14  2:35                                                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-06-14  2:37                                                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-06-14  3:24                                                               ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-14 16:41                                                         ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-06-14 19:20                                                           ` Bill Huey
2005-06-14 19:35                                                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-06-14 21:29                                                               ` Gene Heskett
2005-06-14 20:19                                                             ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-06-14  7:00                                               ` Eugeny S. Mints
2005-06-14 16:09                                               ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-06-14 16:47                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-13 20:38                                         ` Bill Huey
2005-06-13 20:10                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13 20:31                                         ` Bill Huey
2005-06-13 20:58                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13 20:34                                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 21:02                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-12 17:01                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-12 18:43                               ` Lee Revell
2005-06-12 19:12                                 ` Bill Huey
2005-06-11  5:23                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-11 17:24                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-10 20:22           ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-10 20:45           ` Lee Revell
2005-06-10 21:06             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-10 22:19               ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 22:37                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-10 22:49                   ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-10 23:01                   ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 23:05                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-10 23:15                       ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 23:16             ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 23:26               ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 23:36                 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-06-10 23:41                   ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 23:46                     ` Lee Revell
2005-06-11  1:07                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11 15:16                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-11 20:32                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11  0:48           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 20:38         ` Lee Revell
2005-06-10 23:12           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-08 15:54 Eric Piel
2005-06-09  2:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 21:58   ` Eric Piel
2005-06-11  1:55     ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13 22:20 Saksena, Manas
2005-06-13 22:42 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 22:44   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 22:43 ` Bill Huey
2005-06-13 22:43 Saksena, Manas

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