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From: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@conectiva.com.br>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: "Egry Gábor" <gaboregry@t-online.hu>,
	"Sam Ravnborg" <sam@ravnborg.org>,
	"Roman Zippel" <zippel@linux-m68k.org>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@osdl.org>,
	"Massimo Maiurana" <maiurana@inwind.it>,
	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	KernelFR <kernelfr@traduc.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/19] Kconfig I18N completion
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:41:29 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050715174129.GB26338@conectiva.com.br> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0507131155460.17536@g5.osdl.org>

Em Wed, Jul 13, 2005 at 12:02:20PM -0700, Linus Torvalds escreveu:
> 
> 
> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005, Egry Gábor wrote:
> > 
> > Yes, the patch 19/19 contains the translation of configuration
> > interfaces ([x|g|menu]config) and it is only 23 kb. The full version of
> > unfinished hu.po is 2 MB and the fully translated italian it.po is 3,2
> > MB. I see Linus doesn't want the huge language files in kernel source.
> > But what is Linus opinion about this little .po file?
> 
> I don't want ANY of it in the kernel. 

Neither me.
 
> Quite frankly, I'm of the opinion that _all_ of the i18n stuff should be 
> totally outside the kernel. I took the patch from Arnaldo only because I 
> was told that me taking that patch would allow external packages to do the 
> rest. Now I'm told that isn't true, which just makes me pissed off.
> 
> _I_ think you should have a totally external package that knows how to
> parse the Kconfig files. They have a well-known format that hasn't changed
> in quite a while, and a nice parser.  Yes, there will inevitably be new
> entries that you don't have translations for, and you'll have to use the
> English ones for those, but the fact is, that is true whether the i18n
> stuff is included with the kernel or not.

Having just kxgettext as I submitted I guess is enough, the translators
just do make update-po-config and do the translations, put that somewhere
for anyone who wants to use it.
 
> And exactly _because_ it doesn't help to put the non-English translations 
> into the kernel, I think it's a mistake to even try. It's likely _easier_ 
> for all the different language groups if they can just work on their _own_ 
> project, and don't have to try to get their translations merged into the 
> standard kernel.

Exactly.

- Arnaldo

  reply	other threads:[~2005-07-15 17:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-07-13 16:50 Egry Gábor
2005-07-13 17:04 ` [PATCH 1/19] Kconfig I18N: sublocale Egry Gábor
2005-07-13 17:07 ` [PATCH 2/19] Kconfig I18N: lxdialog: width fix Egry Gábor
2005-07-13 17:26   ` [PATCH] Kconfig: lxdialog: Enable UTF8 Jan Engelhardt
2005-07-14  0:26     ` Ken Moffat
2005-07-16  9:54       ` Sam Ravnborg
2005-07-16 10:12         ` Ken Moffat
2005-07-16 22:14           ` Ken Moffat
2005-07-13 17:09 ` [PATCH 3/19] Kconfig I18N: lxdialog Egry Gábor
2005-07-13 17:11 ` [PATCH 4/19] Kconfig I18N: lxdialog: multibyte character support Egry Gábor
2005-07-14  0:10   ` Roman Zippel
2005-07-13 17:13 ` [PATCH 5/19] Kconfig I18N: lxdialog: answering Egry Gábor
2005-07-13 17:15 ` [PATCH 6/19] Kconfig I18N: config Egry Gábor
2005-07-13 17:17 ` [PATCH 7/19] Kconfig I18N: gconfig Egry Gábor
2005-07-13 17:18 ` [PATCH 8/19] Kconfig I18N: gconfig: GUI Egry Gábor
2005-07-13 17:20 ` [PATCH 9/19] Kconfig I18N: gconfig: answering Egry Gábor
2005-07-13 17:21 ` [PATCH 10/19] Kconfig I18N: gconfig: missing macros Egry Gábor
2005-07-13 17:23 ` [PATCH 11/19] Kconfig I18N: gconfig: symbol fix Egry Gábor
2005-07-13 17:24 ` [PATCH 12/19] Kconfig I18N: menuconfig Egry Gábor
2005-07-13 17:26 ` [PATCH 13/19] Kconfig I18N: menuconfig: answering Egry Gábor
2005-07-13 17:27 ` [PATCH 14/19] Kconfig I18N: menuconfig: missing macros Egry Gábor
2005-07-13 17:28 ` [PATCH 15/19] Kconfig I18n: xconfig Egry Gábor
2005-07-13 17:30 ` [PATCH 16/19] Kconfig I18n: xconfig: answering Egry Gábor
2005-07-13 17:31 ` [PATCH 17/19] Kconfig I18N: xconfig: symbol fix Egry Gábor
2005-07-13 17:33 ` [PATCH 18/19] Kconfig I18N: LKC: whitespace removing Egry Gábor
2005-07-14  0:12   ` Roman Zippel
2005-07-13 17:35 ` [PATCH 19/19] Kconfig I18N: UI: Hungarian translation Egry Gábor
2005-07-13 17:41 ` [PATCH 0/19] Kconfig I18N completion Linus Torvalds
2005-07-13 18:03   ` Egry Gábor
2005-07-13 20:11     ` Sam Ravnborg
2005-07-13 18:41       ` Egry Gábor
2005-07-13 19:02         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-15 17:41           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo [this message]
2005-07-13 20:48         ` Sam Ravnborg
2005-07-14 10:03         ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-07-13 20:04   ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-07-13 20:45 ` Sam Ravnborg
2005-07-14  3:42   ` Sam Ravnborg
2005-07-14  0:06 ` Roman Zippel

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