* The Linux FAT issue on SD Cards.. maintainer support please
@ 2005-08-11 5:27 Mukund JB.
2005-08-11 5:56 ` Marc Singer
2005-08-11 15:33 ` Lennart Sorensen
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From: Mukund JB. @ 2005-08-11 5:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: hirofumi; +Cc: linux-kernel-Mailing-list
Dear all,
I am Linux driver programmer.
I have a FAT12 issue on my SD cards. I have got these addresses from the
fs-lists as the maintainer support mail IDs for FAT-FS.
I am using the 2.6.10 kernel, X86 like systems.
I am NOT able to mount the Camera formatted FAT12 filesystem on my linux
BOX. SD card is of size 16MB. At the same time I am able to mount the SD
cards formatted in windows & linux.
I have identified fat_fill_super() in fs/fat/inode.c file as the
function that reads the super block of as MS-DOS FS.
To debug, I have rebuilt my kernel 2.6.10 inserting some debug messages
in the FS sub-system to know what data is coming into "struct
fat_boot_sector *b" structure in fs/fat/inode.c file after sb_bread()
call.
I believe that this data in the "struct fat_boot_sector *b" should be
FAT12 information.
On the camera formatted SD that is NOT mounting I have found this
structure to be all '0' till total_sectors variable (relevant till here
on - FAT12).
Will you please verify if there & tell me if the problem is in the FAT
sub-system.
Regards,
Mukund Jampala
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* Re: The Linux FAT issue on SD Cards.. maintainer support please
2005-08-11 5:27 The Linux FAT issue on SD Cards.. maintainer support please Mukund JB.
@ 2005-08-11 5:56 ` Marc Singer
2005-08-11 15:33 ` Lennart Sorensen
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From: Marc Singer @ 2005-08-11 5:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mukund JB.; +Cc: hirofumi, linux-kernel-Mailing-list
On Thu, Aug 11, 2005 at 10:57:14AM +0530, Mukund JB. wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I am Linux driver programmer.
>
> I have a FAT12 issue on my SD cards. I have got these addresses from the
> fs-lists as the maintainer support mail IDs for FAT-FS.
>
> I am using the 2.6.10 kernel, X86 like systems.
>
> I am NOT able to mount the Camera formatted FAT12 filesystem on my linux
> BOX. SD card is of size 16MB. At the same time I am able to mount the SD
> cards formatted in windows & linux.
>
> I have identified fat_fill_super() in fs/fat/inode.c file as the
> function that reads the super block of as MS-DOS FS.
>
> To debug, I have rebuilt my kernel 2.6.10 inserting some debug messages
> in the FS sub-system to know what data is coming into "struct
> fat_boot_sector *b" structure in fs/fat/inode.c file after sb_bread()
> call.
>
> I believe that this data in the "struct fat_boot_sector *b" should be
> FAT12 information.
>
> On the camera formatted SD that is NOT mounting I have found this
> structure to be all '0' till total_sectors variable (relevant till here
> on - FAT12).
>
> Will you please verify if there & tell me if the problem is in the FAT
> sub-system.
Alternatively, you can dump the first block of the device/partition.
>From that, you can determine if there is a partition table. In any
case, you can read the first block of the partition (or whole device)
and get the filesystem parameter block.
It should be easy from there to determine if the data can be
recognized as FAT.
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* Re: The Linux FAT issue on SD Cards.. maintainer support please
2005-08-11 5:27 The Linux FAT issue on SD Cards.. maintainer support please Mukund JB.
2005-08-11 5:56 ` Marc Singer
@ 2005-08-11 15:33 ` Lennart Sorensen
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From: Lennart Sorensen @ 2005-08-11 15:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mukund JB.; +Cc: hirofumi, linux-kernel-Mailing-list
On Thu, Aug 11, 2005 at 10:57:14AM +0530, Mukund JB. wrote:
> I am Linux driver programmer.
>
> I have a FAT12 issue on my SD cards. I have got these addresses from the
> fs-lists as the maintainer support mail IDs for FAT-FS.
>
> I am using the 2.6.10 kernel, X86 like systems.
>
> I am NOT able to mount the Camera formatted FAT12 filesystem on my linux
> BOX. SD card is of size 16MB. At the same time I am able to mount the SD
> cards formatted in windows & linux.
>
> I have identified fat_fill_super() in fs/fat/inode.c file as the
> function that reads the super block of as MS-DOS FS.
>
> To debug, I have rebuilt my kernel 2.6.10 inserting some debug messages
> in the FS sub-system to know what data is coming into "struct
> fat_boot_sector *b" structure in fs/fat/inode.c file after sb_bread()
> call.
>
> I believe that this data in the "struct fat_boot_sector *b" should be
> FAT12 information.
>
> On the camera formatted SD that is NOT mounting I have found this
> structure to be all '0' till total_sectors variable (relevant till here
> on - FAT12).
>
> Will you please verify if there & tell me if the problem is in the FAT
> sub-system.
A few things I would try:
Stick the SD card in a generic cheap USB media reader, and see what the
kernel thinks of the cards then. Do both work?
If the answer is still no, then it really seems the card is formated
incorrectly, or linux has a bug in the fat driver.
If both work fine that way, then there is a problem in the driver for
the sd reader you are using that needs to be resolved.
Using a known to work for people in general driver (usb-storage) with
a standard usb card reader sure does seem like a good start until you
know if the card is formated properly or not.
You could also use that do dd the first few blocks from the card to see
what the partition table and fat tables look like, in case your SD
driver is somehow messing that part up. By having a copy you can
compare more easily.
Len Sorensen
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* RE: The Linux FAT issue on SD Cards.. maintainer support please
@ 2005-08-12 14:22 Mukund JB.
2005-08-12 14:48 ` Lennart Sorensen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Mukund JB. @ 2005-08-12 14:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lennart Sorensen; +Cc: hirofumi, linux-kernel-Mailing-list
Dear Lennart,
I have an update on this. Please see the message indented inline.
>A few things I would try:
>
>Stick the SD card in a generic cheap USB media reader, and see what the
>kernel thinks of the cards then. Do both work?
I do NOT have one. I am getting it today. I will work on it this
weekend?
>You could also use that do dd the first few blocks from the card to see
>what the partition table and fat tables look like, in case your SD
>driver is somehow messing that part up. By having a copy you can
>compare more easily.
I dumped the 0th sector of SD when formatted on
1) CAM &
2) Windows
The partition table exists on both.
But, the Master Boot Code is NOT present on the CAM formatted SD but is
available on windows formatted SD card.
Can you comment on the Master Boot Code? What is it required on Linux
HOW does windows managed without it? I mean how is Windows able to mount
the SD?
My driver does NOT support partitions? I mean I have implemented it as
alloc_disk(1) & relative first_minor chage obviously.
Is it why I am NOT able to mount the CAM formatted device?
Is this a problem?
Thanks & Regards,
Mukund Jampala
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* Re: The Linux FAT issue on SD Cards.. maintainer support please
2005-08-12 14:22 Mukund JB.
@ 2005-08-12 14:48 ` Lennart Sorensen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Lennart Sorensen @ 2005-08-12 14:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mukund JB.; +Cc: hirofumi, linux-kernel-Mailing-list
On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 07:52:31PM +0530, Mukund JB. wrote:
> I dumped the 0th sector of SD when formatted on
> 1) CAM &
> 2) Windows
> The partition table exists on both.
> But, the Master Boot Code is NOT present on the CAM formatted SD but is
> available on windows formatted SD card.
>
> Can you comment on the Master Boot Code? What is it required on Linux
> HOW does windows managed without it? I mean how is Windows able to mount
> the SD?
>
> My driver does NOT support partitions? I mean I have implemented it as
> alloc_disk(1) & relative first_minor chage obviously.
If you don't at least read the partition table to find where the first
partition starts, then you won't know where to start looking for a FAT
filesystem.
> Is it why I am NOT able to mount the CAM formatted device?
> Is this a problem?
Well in the past I have seen cards that had a partition table, with one
partition in it (usually either primary partition 1 or 4) and had that
partition formated with FAT12, 16 or 32 (depending on size). Some had
no partitions, and just had the whole device formated with FAT like a
floppy. Windows seems to deal with both, as does linux (as long as you
ask it to mount the right device such as /dev/sda1 sda4 or sda depending
on which partition (if any) the card uses.
If you ignore partitions entirely, many cards will not work for you
since they do have partitions on them. Some will work if they use the
entire device without partitions like a floppy would.
The SD card I have here formated by my Canon SD200 has this as the
MBR/partition table (first sector):
0000000: fa33 c08e d0bc 007c 8bf4 5007 501f fbfc .3.....|..P.P...
0000010: bf00 06b9 0001 f2a5 ea1d 0600 00be be07 ................
0000020: b304 803c 8074 0e80 3c00 751c 83c6 10fe ...<.t..<.u.....
0000030: cb75 efcd 188b 148b 4c02 8bee 83c6 10fe .u......L.......
0000040: cb74 1a80 3c00 74f4 be8b 06ac 3c00 740b .t..<.t.....<.t.
0000050: 56bb 0700 b40e cd10 5eeb f0eb febf 0500 V.......^.......
0000060: bb00 7cb8 0102 57cd 135f 730c 33c0 cd13 ..|...W.._s.3...
0000070: 4f75 edbe a306 ebd3 bec2 06bf fe7d 813d Ou...........}.=
0000080: 55aa 75c7 8bf5 ea00 7c00 0049 6e76 616c U.u.....|..Inval
0000090: 6964 2070 6172 7469 7469 6f6e 2074 6162 id partition tab
00000a0: 6c65 0045 7272 6f72 206c 6f61 6469 6e67 le.Error loading
00000b0: 206f 7065 7261 7469 6e67 2073 7973 7465 operating syste
00000c0: 6d00 4d69 7373 696e 6720 6f70 6572 6174 m.Missing operat
00000d0: 696e 6720 7379 7374 656d 0000 8158 3315 ing system...X3.
00000e0: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 ................
00000f0: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 ................
0000100: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 ................
0000110: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 ................
0000120: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 ................
0000130: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 ................
0000140: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 ................
0000150: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 ................
0000160: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 ................
0000170: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 ................
0000180: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 ................
0000190: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 ................
00001a0: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 ................
00001b0: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0001 ................
00001c0: 1a00 0101 60c1 3900 0000 4770 0000 0000 ....`.9...Gp....
00001d0: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 ................
00001e0: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 ................
00001f0: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 55aa ..............U.
The first sector of the partition is this:
0000000: eb00 9050 7772 5368 6f74 2000 0220 0100 ...PwrShot .. ..
0000010: 0200 0247 70f8 0300 2000 0200 3900 0000 ...Gp... ...9...
0000020: 0000 0000 8000 294e cf68 6f43 414e 4f4e ......)N.hoCANON
0000030: 5f44 4320 2020 4641 5431 3220 2020 33ff _DC FAT12 3.
0000040: 8edf be00 7c8d 9ce4 018e 4702 fcb9 0002 ....|.....G.....
0000050: f3a4 c707 5800 ff2f 8cc8 fa8e d0bc 0006 ....X../........
0000060: fb8b ec83 ec16 c536 7800 8976 f68c 5ef8 .......6x..v..^.
0000070: 8d7e eab9 0b00 57f3 a45f 8ed9 be78 0089 .~....W.._...x..
0000080: 3c8c 4402 0e1f c645 0412 c645 090f b200 <.D....E...E....
0000090: 91cd 13a0 1800 f626 1a00 8946 fa83 3eea .......&...F..>.
00000a0: 0100 7520 a010 0098 f626 1600 0306 0e00 ..u .....&......
00000b0: a3ea 0191 b820 00f7 2611 00f7 360b 0003 ..... ..&...6...
00000c0: c1a3 ec01 33d2 a1ea 01b9 0100 c41e e001 ....3...........
00000d0: e890 00b0 20f6 26e8 01c4 3ee0 0103 f8be .... .&...>.....
00000e0: f101 b90b 00f3 a674 24be a501 e849 0032 .......t$....I.2
00000f0: e4cd 16e8 0200 cd19 33c0 8ed8 bb78 00c4 ........3....x..
0000100: 7ef6 893f 8c47 02c3 becc 01eb dfc4 1ee0 ~..?.G..........
0000110: 018b 16ee 01a1 ec01 8a0e f001 b500 e842 ...............B
0000120: 00e8 d4ff bb84 002e 8a16 2400 c747 02ff ..........$..G..
0000130: ff89 172e ff2e e001 ac0a c074 25b4 0ebb ...........t%...
0000140: 0700 cd10 ebf2 0306 1c00 1316 1e00 f776 ...............v
0000150: fa89 46fe 8bc2 f636 1800 8846 fcfe c488 ..F....6...F....
0000160: 66fd c3e3 fd52 5051 e8db ffb8 0100 50e8 f....RPQ......P.
0000170: 1900 5872 9359 5f5a 2bc8 03f8 83d2 0052 ..Xr.Y_Z+......R
0000180: 57f7 260b 0003 d858 5aeb d88b 56fe b106 W.&....XZ...V...
0000190: d2e6 0a76 fd8b ca86 e98a 1624 008a 76fc ...v.......$..v.
00001a0: b402 cd13 c34e 6f20 5379 7374 656d 206f .....No System o
00001b0: 6e20 4469 736b 0d0a 5072 6573 7320 4573 n Disk..Press Es
00001c0: 6320 746f 2052 6562 6f6f 7400 4469 736b c to Reboot.Disk
00001d0: 2042 6f6f 7420 4661 696c 7572 6500 0000 Boot Failure...
00001e0: 0000 7000 0000 000c 0000 0000 0000 0000 ..p.............
00001f0: 0049 424d 4249 4f20 2043 4f4d 0080 55aa .IBMBIO COM..U.
And the minfo of the partition:
device information:
===================
filename="/dev/sde1"
sectors per track: 32
heads: 2
cylinders: 450
mformat command line: mformat -t 450 -h 2 -s 32 -H 57 c:
bootsector information
======================
banner:"PwrShot "
sector size: 512 bytes
cluster size: 32 sectors
reserved (boot) sectors: 1
fats: 2
max available root directory slots: 512
small size: 28743 sectors
media descriptor byte: 0xf8
sectors per fat: 3
sectors per track: 32
heads: 2
hidden sectors: 57
big size: 0 sectors
physical drive id: 0x80
reserved=0x0
dos4=0x29
serial number: 6F68CF4E
disk label="CANON_DC "
disk type="FAT12 "
Len Sorensen
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* RE: The Linux FAT issue on SD Cards.. maintainer support please
@ 2005-08-12 14:31 Mukund JB.
0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Mukund JB. @ 2005-08-12 14:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Marc Singer; +Cc: hirofumi, linux-kernel-Mailing-list
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Dear Marc,
I have doubt about the driver?
I do NOT support the partitions in my driver. I mean I have implemented
it as alloc_disk(1) i.e. 0 partitions.
Is this what is creating the HAVOC to mount my SD card?
Do I need to support the partitions in my driver to support mounting SD
cards formatted in DIGITAL CAMERAS?(clarity needed)
I have an update on the CAM formatted SD.
SECTOR-0 Description:
Bytes 0 446
512
Details |- MB code -| - partition + signature |
Table
I dumped the 1st sector of SD when formatted on
1) CAM &
2) Windows
Yes, the partition table exists on both.
The only protruding difference I find is the Master Boot Code. Can you
comment on the Master Boot Code?
I tried copying the windows SD first 446 bytes to CAM SD first 446
bytes.
I am able to mount but I am loosing the data.
I have attached the files. Please have a look at them
Cluster-0.txt - First 16 Blocks of the device
Phy-Cam-57-sector.txt - 57th sector of the device (claimed FAT
in
Partition table)
Thanks & Regards,
Mukund Jampala
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Marc Singer [mailto:elf@buici.com]
>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 11:26 AM
>To: Mukund JB.
>Cc: hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp; linux-kernel-Mailing-list
>Subject: Re: The Linux FAT issue on SD Cards.. maintainer support
please
>
>On Thu, Aug 11, 2005 at 10:57:14AM +0530, Mukund JB. wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I am Linux driver programmer.
>>
>> I have a FAT12 issue on my SD cards. I have got these addresses from
the
>> fs-lists as the maintainer support mail IDs for FAT-FS.
>>
>> I am using the 2.6.10 kernel, X86 like systems.
>>
>> I am NOT able to mount the Camera formatted FAT12 filesystem on my
linux
>> BOX. SD card is of size 16MB. At the same time I am able to mount the
SD
>> cards formatted in windows & linux.
>>
>> I have identified fat_fill_super() in fs/fat/inode.c file as the
>> function that reads the super block of as MS-DOS FS.
>>
>> To debug, I have rebuilt my kernel 2.6.10 inserting some debug
messages
>> in the FS sub-system to know what data is coming into "struct
>> fat_boot_sector *b" structure in fs/fat/inode.c file after sb_bread()
>> call.
>>
>> I believe that this data in the "struct fat_boot_sector *b" should be
>> FAT12 information.
>>
>> On the camera formatted SD that is NOT mounting I have found this
>> structure to be all '0' till total_sectors variable (relevant till
here
>> on - FAT12).
>>
>> Will you please verify if there & tell me if the problem is in the
FAT
>> sub-system.
>
>Alternatively, you can dump the first block of the device/partition.
>From that, you can determine if there is a partition table. In any
>case, you can read the first block of the partition (or whole device)
>and get the filesystem parameter block.
>
>It should be easy from there to determine if the data can be
>recognized as FAT.
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* RE: The Linux FAT issue on SD Cards.. maintainer support please
@ 2005-08-12 15:46 Mukund JB.
2005-08-12 16:00 ` Lennart Sorensen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Mukund JB. @ 2005-08-12 15:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lennart Sorensen; +Cc: hirofumi, linux-kernel-Mailing-list
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Dear Lennart,
Thanks for the immediate reply.
Please see inline comments.
>If you don't at least read the partition table to find where the first
>partition starts, then you won't know where to start looking for a FAT
>filesystem.
When I said mount, I guess FAT will read sector 0 to get the partition
info. And is it due to lack of partition support in the driver that will
affect the FAT layer reading the device.
Please update?
>> Is it why I am NOT able to mount the CAM formatted device?
>> Is this a problem?
>
>Well in the past I have seen cards that had a partition table, with one
>partition in it (usually either primary partition 1 or 4) and had that
>partition formated with FAT12, 16 or 32 (depending on size).
Yes, right, my card size if 16 MB. FS type is FAT12.
> Some had no partitions, and just had the whole device formated with
FAT > like a floppy. Windows seems to deal with both, as does linux
(as long as > you ask it to mount the right device such as /dev/sda1
sda4 or sda > depending on which partition (if any) the card
uses.
The SD card has partitions on it (both: cam, windows).
So, my device node accessing is direct.
You can see below the SD card has a single primary partition.
So, I say "mount -tvfat /dev/tfa0 /mnt" which works for windows
formatted SD.
The same does NOT work with CAM formatted SD.
Sfdisk -l /dev/tfa0 ( CAM & win)
Disk /dev/tfa0: 448 cylinders, 2 heads, 32 sectors/track
Units = cylinders of 32768 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from 0
Device Boot Start End #cyls #blocks Id System
/dev/tfa0p1 * 0+ 449 450- 14371+ 1 FAT12
/dev/tfa0p2 0 - 0 0 0 Empty
/dev/tfa0p3 0 - 0 0 0 Empty
/dev/tfa0p4 0 - 0 0 0 Empty
Warning: partition 1 extends past end of disk
I don't understand, what is /dev/tfa0p1? I have no such device.
>If you ignore partitions entirely, many cards will not work for you
>since they do have partitions on them. Some will work if they use the
>entire device without partitions like a floppy would.
Will you please elaborate this?
What kind of partition support is required in the driver to support the
Camera Fat12 formatted SD Card?
I dumped the 1st sector of SD when formatted on CAM.
I have attached the files. Please have a look at them
Cluster-0.txt - First 16 Blocks of the device
Phy-Cam-57-sector.txt - 57th sector of the device (claimed FAT
sector
in Partition table)
Regards,
Mukund Jampala
>And the minfo of the partition:
>device information:
>===================
>filename="/dev/sde1"
>sectors per track: 32
>heads: 2
>cylinders: 450
>
>mformat command line: mformat -t 450 -h 2 -s 32 -H 57 c:
>
>bootsector information
>======================
>banner:"PwrShot "
>sector size: 512 bytes
>cluster size: 32 sectors
>reserved (boot) sectors: 1
>fats: 2
>max available root directory slots: 512
>small size: 28743 sectors
>media descriptor byte: 0xf8
>sectors per fat: 3
>sectors per track: 32
>heads: 2
>hidden sectors: 57
>big size: 0 sectors
>physical drive id: 0x80
>reserved=0x0
>dos4=0x29
>serial number: 6F68CF4E
>disk label="CANON_DC "
>disk type="FAT12 "
>
>Len Sorensen
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* Re: The Linux FAT issue on SD Cards.. maintainer support please
2005-08-12 15:46 Mukund JB.
@ 2005-08-12 16:00 ` Lennart Sorensen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Lennart Sorensen @ 2005-08-12 16:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mukund JB.; +Cc: hirofumi, linux-kernel-Mailing-list
On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 09:16:56PM +0530, Mukund JB. wrote:
> When I said mount, I guess FAT will read sector 0 to get the partition
> info. And is it due to lack of partition support in the driver that will
> affect the FAT layer reading the device.
> Please update?
No, the kernel read the partition table if it is there, and presents
each partition as a device.
The user can then mount the partition or the whole device (whichever is
appropriate for the card) using the FAT filesystem driver. The fat
driver only works when pointed at the right location and has no clue
about partitions (and it should not have a clue).
> Yes, right, my card size if 16 MB. FS type is FAT12.
>
> The SD card has partitions on it (both: cam, windows).
> So, my device node accessing is direct.
> You can see below the SD card has a single primary partition.
>
> So, I say "mount -tvfat /dev/tfa0 /mnt" which works for windows
> formatted SD.
> The same does NOT work with CAM formatted SD.
Well if you ignore the partition table and just use a hardcoded offset
to the start of the partition, well then it likely won't work if the
partitioning layout is different for the two cards.
> Sfdisk -l /dev/tfa0 ( CAM & win)
> Disk /dev/tfa0: 448 cylinders, 2 heads, 32 sectors/track
> Units = cylinders of 32768 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from 0
>
> Device Boot Start End #cyls #blocks Id System
> /dev/tfa0p1 * 0+ 449 450- 14371+ 1 FAT12
> /dev/tfa0p2 0 - 0 0 0 Empty
> /dev/tfa0p3 0 - 0 0 0 Empty
> /dev/tfa0p4 0 - 0 0 0 Empty
> Warning: partition 1 extends past end of disk
>
> I don't understand, what is /dev/tfa0p1? I have no such device.
Well that would be the partition 1 on the tfa0 device, which you need
since that card has a partition there.
> Will you please elaborate this?
> What kind of partition support is required in the driver to support the
> Camera Fat12 formatted SD Card?
>
> I dumped the 1st sector of SD when formatted on CAM.
> I have attached the files. Please have a look at them
>
> Cluster-0.txt - First 16 Blocks of the device
> Phy-Cam-57-sector.txt - 57th sector of the device (claimed FAT
> sector
> in Partition table)
Well one of the two files you sent appears to contain a FAT12 filesystem
directly on the device and has no partitions. The other appears to
contain a partition table with one partition, and I suspect that
partition contains a FAT12 filesystem.
To read one you access the whole device and mount that. To access the
other you have to use the partition and mount that instead. This is why
your driver MUST support partitions, or at the very least look for a
partition table, and if it sees one, skip to the sector the partition
table says is the start and present the device from that location on as
the device (although that MAY mess up FAT, since I don't know if fat
uses relative sector numbers from the start of the partition, or
physical drive sector numbers. I would think it was relative, in which
case you should be ok just offseting all requests to the device by the
number of sectors to the start of the partition found.
So for the device above with one partition, you would have to check
the partition table entry to find the start sector number of the
partition and then offset requests by that amount.
For example:
fdisk -l -u /dev/sde:
debdev1:~# fdisk -l -u /dev/sde
Disk /dev/sde: 14 MB, 14745600 bytes
2 heads, 32 sectors/track, 450 cylinders, total 28800 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sde1 57 28799 14371+ 1 FAT12
So if you skip 57 sectors you would see the FAT12 filesystem.
On your card without a partition table, the FAT12 starts at sector 0, on
the other it is offset by the number of sectors to the start of the
first partition.
Len Sorensen
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* RE: The Linux FAT issue on SD Cards.. maintainer support please
@ 2005-08-16 13:24 Mukund JB.
2005-08-16 16:08 ` Lennart Sorensen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Mukund JB. @ 2005-08-16 13:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lennart Sorensen; +Cc: hirofumi, linux-kernel-Mailing-list
Dear Lenneart,
Good Morning. Sorry for the delay.
It is Independence Day celebration Week in INDIA. And it's time for my
independence from this problem.
Please see my advances in-lined below.
Work time
-----------
>> And is it due to lack of partition support in the driver that will
>> affect the FAT layer reading the device. Please update?
>
>No, the kernel read the partition table if it is there, and presents
>each partition as a device.
Yes, I agree. My sentence formation was wrong.
My question here is:
If I have NO multiple partition support implemented in the driver, will
it effect mounting the first partition on the device?
i.e. If I said alloc_disk(1) (single partition), and if I am trying to
mount the very first partition, will I be able to do it?
Existing gendisk code:
---------------
alloc_disk(1);
first_minor = socket_no; // Device socket no varies from 0 - 3.
// so, each device- we have
just one node; // NO partitions on
each device.
Device Interface: mknod /dev/tfa0 b 252 0
Will I have to modify the above code?
Will you tell me what else do I need to handle multiple partition in my
driver apart from alloc_disk(n) & first_minor modifications as per n(n/o
partitions)?
>> So, I say "mount -tvfat /dev/tfa0 /mnt" which works for windows
>> formatted SD.
>> The same does NOT work with CAM formatted SD.
>
>Well if you ignore the partition table and just use a hardcoded offset
>to the start of the partition, well then it likely won't work if the
>partitioning layout is different for the two cards.
The partition layout mentioned in the partition table is same for the
Windows formatted SD & CAM formatted SD. I assume partition layout
starts at 0x1BE.
>> Sfdisk -l /dev/tfa0 ( CAM & win)
>> Disk /dev/tfa0: 448 cylinders, 2 heads, 32 sectors/track
>> Units = cylinders of 32768 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from
0
>>
>> Device Boot Start End #cyls #blocks Id System
>> /dev/tfa0p1 * 0+ 449 450- 14371+ 1 FAT12
>> /dev/tfa0p2 0 - 0 0 0 Empty
>> /dev/tfa0p3 0 - 0 0 0 Empty
>> /dev/tfa0p4 0 - 0 0 0 Empty
>> Warning: partition 1 extends past end of disk
>>
Can you quote your comments on the warning given by sfdisk command
above?
>> I dumped the 1st sector of SD when formatted on CAM.
>> I have attached the files. Please have a look at them
>>
>> Cluster-0.txt - First 16 Blocks of the device
>> Phy-Cam-57-sector.txt - 57th sector of the device (claimed FAT
>> sector
>> in Partition table)
>
>Well one of the two files you sent appears to contain a FAT12
filesystem
>directly on the device and has no partitions. The other appears to
>contain a partition table with one partition, and I suspect that
>partition contains a FAT12 filesystem.
These files belong to the same device. They are just different sectors
of the device file.
Cluster-0.txt - First 16 Blocks of the device
Phy-Cam-57-sector.txt - 57th sector of the device (claimed FAT
Sector)
>So for the device above with one partition, you would have to check
>the partition table entry to find the start sector number of the
>partition and then offset requests by that amount.
You mean the application like mount should check the partition table
entry to find the start sector number of the partition and then mount
the particular partition.
>For example:
>fdisk -l -u /dev/sde:
>debdev1:~# fdisk -l -u /dev/sde
>
>Disk /dev/sde: 14 MB, 14745600 bytes
>2 heads, 32 sectors/track, 450 cylinders, total 28800 sectors
>Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
>
> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
>/dev/sde1 57 28799 14371+ 1 FAT12
>
>So if you skip 57 sectors you would see the FAT12 filesystem.
>
Can you comment on the fdisk output which says the total sectors are
28672 while the total n/o sector passed to fdisk through the HDIO_GETGEO
ioctl is 28800.
I have a single ioctl implemented in the driver i.e HDIO_GETGEO ioctl.
fdisk -l -u /dev/tfa0:
debdev1:~# fdisk -l -u /dev/tfa0
Disk /dev/tfa0: 14 MB, 14680064 bytes
2 heads, 32 sectors/track, 450 cylinders, total 28672 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/ tfa0p1 57 28799 14371+ 1 FAT12
>On your card without a partition table, the FAT12 starts at sector 0,
on
>the other it is offset by the number of sectors to the start of the
>first partition.
This is a miscommunication. I have sent u the files of the same device
at different offsets and NOT different devices. One of them is cluster 0
and the other one sector 57 of the device which is the start of
partition table as seen in the above fdisk output.
Regards,
Mukund Jampala
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* Re: The Linux FAT issue on SD Cards.. maintainer support please
2005-08-16 13:24 Mukund JB.
@ 2005-08-16 16:08 ` Lennart Sorensen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Lennart Sorensen @ 2005-08-16 16:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mukund JB.; +Cc: hirofumi, linux-kernel-Mailing-list
On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 06:54:40PM +0530, Mukund JB. wrote:
> Yes, I agree. My sentence formation was wrong.
>
> My question here is:
>
> If I have NO multiple partition support implemented in the driver, will
> it effect mounting the first partition on the device?
Yes. If you have no partition support, then you can only mount cards
without a partition table since that is all you are presenting. cards
which have a partition table will have their start of filesystem offset
by a few sectors to the start of partition 1 or 4 or whichever it is
using.
> i.e. If I said alloc_disk(1) (single partition), and if I am trying to
> mount the very first partition, will I be able to do it?
>
> Existing gendisk code:
> ---------------
> alloc_disk(1);
> first_minor = socket_no; // Device socket no varies from 0 - 3.
> // so, each device- we have
> just one node; // NO partitions on
> each device.
>
> Device Interface: mknod /dev/tfa0 b 252 0
>
> Will I have to modify the above code?
I don't even know what that code is doing.
> Will you tell me what else do I need to handle multiple partition in my
> driver apart from alloc_disk(n) & first_minor modifications as per n(n/o
> partitions)?
Well you can either support partitions fully by making your driver work
like the ide and scsi and such drivers do things, or you can just make
it simpler and only support devices without a partition table and those
with a single partition entry in the partition table. That would
support probably 99.99% of cards you would encounter. You just have to
check if a partition table exists, if it doesn't, just present the whole
device as the disk, while if a partition table exists, scan it for a
partition that is not a blank entry, then find the start of that
partition and present the device to the user starting at that sector.
> The partition layout mentioned in the partition table is same for the
> Windows formatted SD & CAM formatted SD. I assume partition layout
> starts at 0x1BE.
If there is a partition table then it starts there.
> >> Sfdisk -l /dev/tfa0 ( CAM & win)
> >> Disk /dev/tfa0: 448 cylinders, 2 heads, 32 sectors/track
> >> Units = cylinders of 32768 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from
> 0
> >>
> >> Device Boot Start End #cyls #blocks Id System
> >> /dev/tfa0p1 * 0+ 449 450- 14371+ 1 FAT12
> >> /dev/tfa0p2 0 - 0 0 0 Empty
> >> /dev/tfa0p3 0 - 0 0 0 Empty
> >> /dev/tfa0p4 0 - 0 0 0 Empty
> >> Warning: partition 1 extends past end of disk
> >>
> Can you quote your comments on the warning given by sfdisk command
> above?
The warning means the driver is broken and says the wrong number of
cylinders for the device.
> These files belong to the same device. They are just different sectors
> of the device file.
>
> Cluster-0.txt - First 16 Blocks of the device
> Phy-Cam-57-sector.txt - 57th sector of the device (claimed FAT
>
> Sector)
Oh ok. So on that card the first partition probably starts that that
sector.
> >So for the device above with one partition, you would have to check
> >the partition table entry to find the start sector number of the
> >partition and then offset requests by that amount.
>
> You mean the application like mount should check the partition table
> entry to find the start sector number of the partition and then mount
> the particular partition.
>
> >For example:
> >fdisk -l -u /dev/sde:
> >debdev1:~# fdisk -l -u /dev/sde
> >
> >Disk /dev/sde: 14 MB, 14745600 bytes
> >2 heads, 32 sectors/track, 450 cylinders, total 28800 sectors
> >Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
> >
> > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
> >/dev/sde1 57 28799 14371+ 1 FAT12
> >
> >So if you skip 57 sectors you would see the FAT12 filesystem.
> >
>
> Can you comment on the fdisk output which says the total sectors are
> 28672 while the total n/o sector passed to fdisk through the HDIO_GETGEO
> ioctl is 28800.
You are missing 128 sectors which happens to be 2 heads * 32 sectors *
2 cylinders. So 28672 matches 2 heads, 32 sectors 448 cylinders, so
may the real problem you had with sfdisk was that it decided your total
sector size was wrong, and fixed the cylinder count down by 2 to match
the number of sectors. Your driver SHOULD be returning 28800 for the
number of sectors.
> I have a single ioctl implemented in the driver i.e HDIO_GETGEO ioctl.
Perhaps one of the more modern ways of getting disk size would return
the full number of sectors instead. For example the ioctl BLKSSZGET and
BLKGETSIZE and BLKGETSIZE64.
Now on the other hand, I think you may have an error in your total size
calculation in the driver too, since 2 heads * 32 sectors * 450
cylinders is 28800 sectors total.
> fdisk -l -u /dev/tfa0:
> debdev1:~# fdisk -l -u /dev/tfa0
>
> Disk /dev/tfa0: 14 MB, 14680064 bytes
> 2 heads, 32 sectors/track, 450 cylinders, total 28672 sectors
> Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
>
> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
> /dev/ tfa0p1 57 28799 14371+ 1 FAT12
I think given your partition table says the last sector is 28799 of the
partition, you have to find out why your driver is returning a total
size of 28672 when the real size is 28800.
Len Sorensen
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* RE: The Linux FAT issue on SD Cards.. maintainer support please
@ 2005-08-16 13:34 Mukund JB.
2005-08-16 13:59 ` Olivier Galibert
2005-08-16 16:09 ` Lennart Sorensen
0 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Mukund JB. @ 2005-08-16 13:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lennart Sorensen; +Cc: hirofumi, linux-kernel-Mailing-list
Dear Lennart,
I have bought a "entermultimedia" USB 2.0 21-in-1 card.
There are no Linux driver support in the CD provided.
Can u suggest me what is best bug (USB card reader) with Linux driver
support in the Market.
Regards,
Mukund Jampala
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Lennart Sorensen [mailto:lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca]
>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:04 PM
>To: Mukund JB.
>Cc: hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp; linux-kernel-Mailing-list
>Subject: Re: The Linux FAT issue on SD Cards.. maintainer support
please
>
>On Thu, Aug 11, 2005 at 10:57:14AM +0530, Mukund JB. wrote:
>> I am Linux driver programmer.
>>
>> I have a FAT12 issue on my SD cards. I have got these addresses from
the
>> fs-lists as the maintainer support mail IDs for FAT-FS.
>>
>> I am using the 2.6.10 kernel, X86 like systems.
>>
>> I am NOT able to mount the Camera formatted FAT12 filesystem on my
linux
>> BOX. SD card is of size 16MB. At the same time I am able to mount the
SD
>> cards formatted in windows & linux.
>>
>> I have identified fat_fill_super() in fs/fat/inode.c file as the
>> function that reads the super block of as MS-DOS FS.
>>
>> To debug, I have rebuilt my kernel 2.6.10 inserting some debug
messages
>> in the FS sub-system to know what data is coming into "struct
>> fat_boot_sector *b" structure in fs/fat/inode.c file after sb_bread()
>> call.
>>
>> I believe that this data in the "struct fat_boot_sector *b" should be
>> FAT12 information.
>>
>> On the camera formatted SD that is NOT mounting I have found this
>> structure to be all '0' till total_sectors variable (relevant till
here
>> on - FAT12).
>>
>> Will you please verify if there & tell me if the problem is in the
FAT
>> sub-system.
>
>A few things I would try:
>
>Stick the SD card in a generic cheap USB media reader, and see what the
>kernel thinks of the cards then. Do both work?
>
>If the answer is still no, then it really seems the card is formated
>incorrectly, or linux has a bug in the fat driver.
>
>If both work fine that way, then there is a problem in the driver for
>the sd reader you are using that needs to be resolved.
>
>Using a known to work for people in general driver (usb-storage) with
>a standard usb card reader sure does seem like a good start until you
>know if the card is formated properly or not.
>
>You could also use that do dd the first few blocks from the card to see
>what the partition table and fat tables look like, in case your SD
>driver is somehow messing that part up. By having a copy you can
>compare more easily.
>
>Len Sorensen
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* Re: The Linux FAT issue on SD Cards.. maintainer support please
2005-08-16 13:34 Mukund JB.
@ 2005-08-16 13:59 ` Olivier Galibert
2005-08-16 16:09 ` Lennart Sorensen
1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Olivier Galibert @ 2005-08-16 13:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-kernel-Mailing-list
On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 07:04:34PM +0530, Mukund JB. wrote:
> Dear Lennart,
>
> I have bought a "entermultimedia" USB 2.0 21-in-1 card.
> There are no Linux driver support in the CD provided.
> Can u suggest me what is best bug (USB card reader) with Linux driver
> support in the Market.
It doesn't work as-is with the usb-storage driver?
OG.
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* Re: The Linux FAT issue on SD Cards.. maintainer support please
2005-08-16 13:34 Mukund JB.
2005-08-16 13:59 ` Olivier Galibert
@ 2005-08-16 16:09 ` Lennart Sorensen
1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Lennart Sorensen @ 2005-08-16 16:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mukund JB.; +Cc: hirofumi, linux-kernel-Mailing-list
On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 07:04:34PM +0530, Mukund JB. wrote:
> I have bought a "entermultimedia" USB 2.0 21-in-1 card.
> There are no Linux driver support in the CD provided.
> Can u suggest me what is best bug (USB card reader) with Linux driver
> support in the Market.
Load usb drivers and usb-storage driver and scsi disk module (sd_mod).
Then it should show up as a scsi disk. No modern OS requires drivers
added for usb drives. They are just included.
Len Sorensen
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* RE: The Linux FAT issue on SD Cards.. maintainer support please
@ 2005-08-17 17:02 Mukund JB`.
2005-08-17 18:50 ` Lennart Sorensen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Mukund JB`. @ 2005-08-17 17:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lennart Sorensen; +Cc: hirofumi, linux-kernel-Mailing-list
Dear Lennart,
A have a new fining here.
fdisk -l -u /dev/tfa0:
debdev1:~# fdisk -l -u /dev/tfa0
Disk /dev/tfa0: 14 MB, 14680064 bytes
2 heads, 32 sectors/track, 448 cylinders, total 28672 sectors Units =
sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/ tfa0p1 57 28799 14371+ 1 FAT12
On a keen look on the above fdisk output on my 16MB SD card, you can
find the cylinder information as 448 where as my driver ioctl returns
450.
I have found from the partition table that Total n/o sector for the
primary partition is 28743 (total sectors).
But my ioctl returns total cylinders as 450 i.e. 28800 sectors.
As 28743 is NOT any multiple of 64(2*32)i.e sectors*heads, the fdisk
tried manipulates it to get multiples of 64.
So, finally the best multiple 448 cylinders (i.e. 28672 sector)
So, finally that NOT a BUG in the driver instead is a generalization
made by fdisk command.
Please find the inline comments.
>Well you can either support partitions fully by making your driver work
>like the ide and scsi and such drivers do things, or you can just make
>it simpler and only support devices without a partition table and those
>with a single partition entry in the partition table. That would
>support probably 99.99% of cards you would encounter. You just have to
>check if a partition table exists, if it doesn't, just present the
whole
>device as the disk, while if a partition table exists, scan it for a
>partition that is not a blank entry, then find the start of that
>partition and present the device to the user starting at that sector.
This is a policy & NO policy is the driver should be implemented.
I think we need NOT handle all this in the driver. The upper layer of
the mount application looks into verifying this.
>> The partition layout mentioned in the partition table is same for the
>> Windows formatted SD & CAM formatted SD. I assume partition layout
>> starts at 0x1BE.
>
>If there is a partition table then it starts there.
There is a partition table in the CAM formatted device & it looks like
there is also a partition table in the win formatted device.
The details of there at offset 0x1BE are below.
CAM formatted SD Details
------------- 0x1BE offset detailed messages (decimal no
)------------------ Reading data from sector '0' at offset
0x1BE(Partition table start addr)
bootable = 0x80 (0x1BE)
beg-chs.heads = 0x1
beg-chs.sect = 0x1A
beg-chs.cylin = 0x0
sys-type = 0x1
end-chs.heads = 0x1
end-chs.sect = 0x60
end-chs.cylin = 0xC1
start sect = 0x39
n/o sec in part = 0x7047
Win formatted SD Details
------------- 0x1BE offset detailed messages (decimal no
)------------------ Reading data from sector '0' at offset
0x1BE(Partition table start addr)
bootable = 0x6F (0x1BE)
beg-chs.heads = 0x74
beg-chs.sect = 0x68
beg-chs.cylin = 0x65
sys-type = 0x72
end-chs.heads = 0x20
end-chs.sect = 0x6D
end-chs.cylin = 0x65
start sect = 0x2E61964
n/o sec in part = 0x440A0DFF
>> >> Sfdisk -l /dev/tfa0 ( CAM & win)
>> >> Disk /dev/tfa0: 448 cylinders, 2 heads, 32 sectors/track
>> >> Units = cylinders of 32768 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting
from
>> 0
>> >>
>> >> Device Boot Start End #cyls #blocks Id System
>> >> /dev/tfa0p1 * 0+ 449 450- 14371+ 1 FAT12
>> >> /dev/tfa0p2 0 - 0 0 0 Empty
>> >> /dev/tfa0p3 0 - 0 0 0 Empty
>> >> /dev/tfa0p4 0 - 0 0 0 Empty
>> >> Warning: partition 1 extends past end of disk
>> >>
>> Can you quote your comments on the warning given by sfdisk command
>> above?
>
>The warning means the driver is broken and says the wrong number of
>cylinders for the device.
NO, I think driver is NOT broken instead the partition tables speaks SO.
sfdisk returns 448 cylinders for my 16MB SD card, where as my driver
ioctl returns 450.
I have found from the partition table that Total n/o sector for the
primary partition is 28743 (total sectors) whereas my ioctl returns
total cylinders as 450 i.e. 28800 sectors.
As 28743 is NOT any multiple of 64(2*32)i.e sectors*heads, the sfdisk
manipulates it to get multiples of 64. The best multiple is 448
cylinders (i.e. 28672 sector). This is where we are missing 128 sectors.
So, finally that NOT a BUG in the driver instead is a generalization
made by sfdisk command.
>Perhaps one of the more modern ways of getting disk size would return
>the full number of sectors instead. For example the ioctl BLKSSZGET
and
>BLKGETSIZE and BLKGETSIZE64.
I added BLKGETSIZE ioctl. When I tried to note the ioctl called at mount
time I find it is all the time HDIO_GETGEO.
At this angle it clear that sfdisk output is Not the result of BUG in
the driver instead it is a result of partition table TOTAL SECTORS
entry.
I have a doubt where Linux is treating this a separate class of device.
I heard some thing about the FS found on the Floppies.
I guess FS on win & linux SD is such kind of FS & so I am able to mount
it.
How do I verify this? I am clean about the FS on Floppies. I will try to
find it tomorrow on the NET.
As CAM SD has altogether HD like info. And that is why we are NOT able
to mount it.
Can you comment on this?
Regards,
Mukund Jampala
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* Re: The Linux FAT issue on SD Cards.. maintainer support please
2005-08-17 17:02 Mukund JB`.
@ 2005-08-17 18:50 ` Lennart Sorensen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Lennart Sorensen @ 2005-08-17 18:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mukund JB`.; +Cc: hirofumi, linux-kernel-Mailing-list
On Wed, Aug 17, 2005 at 10:32:03PM +0530, Mukund JB`. wrote:
> A have a new fining here.
>
> fdisk -l -u /dev/tfa0:
> debdev1:~# fdisk -l -u /dev/tfa0
>
> Disk /dev/tfa0: 14 MB, 14680064 bytes
> 2 heads, 32 sectors/track, 448 cylinders, total 28672 sectors Units =
> sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
>
> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
> /dev/ tfa0p1 57 28799 14371+ 1 FAT12
>
> On a keen look on the above fdisk output on my 16MB SD card, you can
> find the cylinder information as 448 where as my driver ioctl returns
> 450.
>
> I have found from the partition table that Total n/o sector for the
> primary partition is 28743 (total sectors).
> But my ioctl returns total cylinders as 450 i.e. 28800 sectors.
> As 28743 is NOT any multiple of 64(2*32)i.e sectors*heads, the fdisk
> tried manipulates it to get multiples of 64.
> So, finally the best multiple 448 cylinders (i.e. 28672 sector)
> So, finally that NOT a BUG in the driver instead is a generalization
> made by fdisk command.
If the partition starts at sector 57 and is 28743 sectors long, then
that matches 28800 sectors total. No problem there.
If on the other hand fdisk reports 28672 sectors total then there is a
problem somewhere.
> This is a policy & NO policy is the driver should be implemented.
> I think we need NOT handle all this in the driver. The upper layer of
> the mount application looks into verifying this.
Well then you have to implement full partition support and present a
seperate device for each partition in /dev so that mount can access each
partition.
> There is a partition table in the CAM formatted device & it looks like
> there is also a partition table in the win formatted device.
> The details of there at offset 0x1BE are below.
>
> CAM formatted SD Details
> ------------- 0x1BE offset detailed messages (decimal no
> )------------------ Reading data from sector '0' at offset
> 0x1BE(Partition table start addr)
>
> bootable = 0x80 (0x1BE)
> beg-chs.heads = 0x1
> beg-chs.sect = 0x1A
> beg-chs.cylin = 0x0
> sys-type = 0x1
> end-chs.heads = 0x1
> end-chs.sect = 0x60
> end-chs.cylin = 0xC1
> start sect = 0x39
> n/o sec in part = 0x7047
Well that one looks pretty sane.
> Win formatted SD Details
> ------------- 0x1BE offset detailed messages (decimal no
> )------------------ Reading data from sector '0' at offset
> 0x1BE(Partition table start addr)
>
> bootable = 0x6F (0x1BE)
> beg-chs.heads = 0x74
> beg-chs.sect = 0x68
> beg-chs.cylin = 0x65
> sys-type = 0x72
> end-chs.heads = 0x20
> end-chs.sect = 0x6D
> end-chs.cylin = 0x65
> start sect = 0x2E61964
> n/o sec in part = 0x440A0DFF
That one looks more like random numbers. Maybe the partition entry that
it really uses is not number 1, but number 2 3 or 4, or no partition
table at all.
Could you do dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 | xxd
For each of your two cards. Then we can really see what is in the
partition tables of those two cards.
> NO, I think driver is NOT broken instead the partition tables speaks SO.
> sfdisk returns 448 cylinders for my 16MB SD card, where as my driver
> ioctl returns 450.
Well I wouldn't ever trust sfdisk. fdisk -l -u I trust more.
> I have found from the partition table that Total n/o sector for the
> primary partition is 28743 (total sectors) whereas my ioctl returns
> total cylinders as 450 i.e. 28800 sectors.
>
> As 28743 is NOT any multiple of 64(2*32)i.e sectors*heads, the sfdisk
> manipulates it to get multiples of 64. The best multiple is 448
> cylinders (i.e. 28672 sector). This is where we are missing 128 sectors.
>
> So, finally that NOT a BUG in the driver instead is a generalization
> made by sfdisk command.
Well I believe sfdisk has been broken in the past. It wouldn't surprise
me if it still has bugs.
> I added BLKGETSIZE ioctl. When I tried to note the ioctl called at mount
> time I find it is all the time HDIO_GETGEO.
>
> At this angle it clear that sfdisk output is Not the result of BUG in
> the driver instead it is a result of partition table TOTAL SECTORS
> entry.
>
> I have a doubt where Linux is treating this a separate class of device.
> I heard some thing about the FS found on the Floppies.
> I guess FS on win & linux SD is such kind of FS & so I am able to mount
> it.
>
> How do I verify this? I am clean about the FS on Floppies. I will try to
> find it tomorrow on the NET.
>
> As CAM SD has altogether HD like info. And that is why we are NOT able
> to mount it.
>
> Can you comment on this?
Well if you inlcude the hex dump of the two MBR sectors then I may be
able to comment on it.
fdisk -u -l /dev/sda for each card would also help (using the usb reader
preferably if you got that working yet.)
Len Sorensen
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* RE: The Linux FAT issue on SD Cards.. maintainer support please
@ 2005-08-18 12:51 Mukund JB`.
2005-08-18 17:26 ` Lennart Sorensen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Mukund JB`. @ 2005-08-18 12:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lennart Sorensen; +Cc: hirofumi, linux-kernel-Mailing-list
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Dear all,
I have few updates in this issue.
I have attached the Images as well as the mount-log to this mail.
Please see the comments inline.
>If the partition starts at sector 57 and is 28743 sectors long, then
>that matches 28800 sectors total. No problem there.
>
>If on the other hand fdisk reports 28672 sectors total then there is a
>problem somewhere.
I think, fdisk it trying to portray that n/o cylinders 448. So, it also
takes care of displaying the relevant n/o sector & NO more or NO less.
>Well then you have to implement full partition support and present a
>seperate device for each partition in /dev so that mount can access
each
>partition.
I have implemented the partition support in the driver but some HOW I am
NOT able to get the driver working with all the sockets. It is just
working with the socket 0 and NO other socket.
I mean I am able to mount windows & linux formatted SD card with new
driver present from socket 0.
>> There is a partition table in the CAM formatted device & it looks
like
>> there is also a partition table in the win formatted device.
>> The details of there at offset 0x1BE are below.
I have an update on this.
I found some common things between the windows formatted SD & Linux
formatted SD.
I found that both of then do NOT have the partition table.
I found that both of them have FAT12 FS in the sector 0 starting at
offset 0.
Why? I am NOT able to guess.
For Windows formatted SD there is NO partition table at all.
I went on more R&D and tried to get to format the USB-Thumb drive.
Even that did NOT have a partition table.
It looks like windows treats all removable media device as devices with
NO partitions.
Even on Linux formatted SD there is NO partition table present.
Please have a look at the images I am attaching to this mail.
I have attached CAM-MS, WIN-Ms & Linux-MS first 512 byte length Images.
These are the Images of first 512 bytes of sector 0.
You can find the FS there on Lin & Win Images.
I have verified this by keeping some DEBUG messages in the FAT layer &
seeing what data is being passed to this fat_boot_sector structure when
mount call is issued.
I am also attaching those LOG messages. please Have a LOOK at them too &
you will have a fair understanding.
>That one looks more like random numbers. Maybe the partition entry
that
>it really uses is not number 1, but number 2 3 or 4, or no partition
>table at all.
I have verified it with fdisk -l -u /dev/tfa0
It has shown that it is the partition 0 & nothing else.
>Could you do dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 | xxd
Please see the Images-All-MS-512.tar.gz.
Regards,
Mukund Jampala
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* Re: The Linux FAT issue on SD Cards.. maintainer support please
2005-08-18 12:51 Mukund JB`.
@ 2005-08-18 17:26 ` Lennart Sorensen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Lennart Sorensen @ 2005-08-18 17:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mukund JB`.; +Cc: hirofumi, linux-kernel-Mailing-list
On Thu, Aug 18, 2005 at 06:21:39PM +0530, Mukund JB`. wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I have few updates in this issue.
> I have attached the Images as well as the mount-log to this mail.
> Please see the comments inline.
>
> I think, fdisk it trying to portray that n/o cylinders 448. So, it also
> takes care of displaying the relevant n/o sector & NO more or NO less.
>
> I have implemented the partition support in the driver but some HOW I am
> NOT able to get the driver working with all the sockets. It is just
> working with the socket 0 and NO other socket.
> I mean I am able to mount windows & linux formatted SD card with new
> driver present from socket 0.
>
> I have an update on this.
>
> I found some common things between the windows formatted SD & Linux
> formatted SD.
> I found that both of then do NOT have the partition table.
> I found that both of them have FAT12 FS in the sector 0 starting at
> offset 0.
> Why? I am NOT able to guess.
If you don't use fdisk to create a partition on the card, then you won't
have one. If you mkdosfs on /dev/tfa0 then you loose the partition
table and get a filesystem on just the whole disk. If you do it with
/dev/tfa0p1 then you do it on the first partition which would then have
the FAT filesystem starting at the offset of the first partition (as it
should).
> For Windows formatted SD there is NO partition table at all.
> I went on more R&D and tried to get to format the USB-Thumb drive.
> Even that did NOT have a partition table.
> It looks like windows treats all removable media device as devices with
> NO partitions.
That is right. Although I believe if windows sees one with a partition
table it will just use the first valid partition table entry it finds
and ignore the rest.
> Even on Linux formatted SD there is NO partition table present.
>
> Please have a look at the images I am attaching to this mail.
> I have attached CAM-MS, WIN-Ms & Linux-MS first 512 byte length Images.
> These are the Images of first 512 bytes of sector 0.
> You can find the FS there on Lin & Win Images.
>
> I have verified this by keeping some DEBUG messages in the FAT layer &
> seeing what data is being passed to this fat_boot_sector structure when
> mount call is issued.
> I am also attaching those LOG messages. please Have a LOOK at them too &
> you will have a fair understanding.
>
> I have verified it with fdisk -l -u /dev/tfa0
> It has shown that it is the partition 0 & nothing else.
>
> Please see the Images-All-MS-512.tar.gz.
Well to mount anything without a partition table, you would mount the
whole device (/dev/tfa0) and to mount one with a partition table on it,
you would mount /dev/tfa0p1 or tfa0p4 or whichever partition it is.
Zip drives used to be the same way. Some were formated with 1 partition
(usually 1 or 4) and some had no partition table at all and used the
whole disk for the filesystem. I always had a /zip and /zip4 mount
point I used depending on the particular disk I was looking at.
Len Sorensen
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* RE: The Linux FAT issue on SD Cards.. maintainer support please
@ 2005-08-18 12:56 Mukund JB`.
0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Mukund JB`. @ 2005-08-18 12:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lennart Sorensen; +Cc: hirofumi, linux-kernel-Mailing-list
Dear Lennart,
The USB device I have bought is yet to be tested.
I will do it tomorrow. I was busy in figuring out more on this END. Let
me try it to night.
If not I will try it in the tomorrow day time schedule.
Regards,
Mukund Jampala
>> I have bought a "entermultimedia" USB 2.0 21-in-1 card.
>> There are no Linux driver support in the CD provided.
>> Can u suggest me what is best bug (USB card reader) with Linux driver
>> support in the Market.
>
>Load usb drivers and usb-storage driver and scsi disk module (sd_mod).
>Then it should show up as a scsi disk. No modern OS requires drivers
>added for usb drives. They are just included.
>
>Len Sorensen
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* RE: The Linux FAT issue on SD Cards.. maintainer support please
@ 2005-08-19 11:39 Mukund JB`.
2005-08-19 12:59 ` Lennart Sorensen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Mukund JB`. @ 2005-08-19 11:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lennart Sorensen; +Cc: hirofumi, linux-kernel-Mailing-list
Dear Lennart,
>> I found that both of then do NOT have the partition table.
>
>If you don't use fdisk to create a partition on the card, then you
won't
>have one.
I am having the partition table on the cam formatted CARD
i.e. the partition 0.
> If you mkdosfs on /dev/tfa0 then you loose the partition
>table and get a filesystem on just the whole disk. If you do it with
>/dev/tfa0p1 then you do it on the first partition which would then have
>the FAT filesystem starting at the offset of the first partition (as it
>should).
Ok, I understood it. It looks like we have to verify the partition
support we have implemented in the driver.
>That is right. Although I believe if windows sees one with a partition
>table it will just use the first valid partition table entry it finds
>and ignore the rest.
To handle it in a similarly in Linux we need to support this driver with
partitions. There looks a loop hole in the driver.
I will verify and fix it today.
>> Please see the Images-All-MS-512.tar.gz.
>
>Well to mount anything without a partition table, you would mount the
>whole device (/dev/tfa0) and to mount one with a partition table on it,
>you would mount /dev/tfa0p1 or tfa0p4 or whichever partition it is.
>
>Zip drives used to be the same way. Some were formated with 1
partition
>(usually 1 or 4) and some had no partition table at all and used the
>whole disk for the filesystem. I always had a /zip and /zip4 mount
>point I used depending on the particular disk I was looking at.
Just out of inquisitive ness.
What r u the minor numbers of those zip devices.
ll /dev/zip
ll /dev/zip4
Thanks for ur support.
I will check with partition support in the driver & update it.
Let me fix it there and come back.
Regards,
Mukund Jampala
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* Re: The Linux FAT issue on SD Cards.. maintainer support please
2005-08-19 11:39 Mukund JB`.
@ 2005-08-19 12:59 ` Lennart Sorensen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Lennart Sorensen @ 2005-08-19 12:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mukund JB`.; +Cc: hirofumi, linux-kernel-Mailing-list
On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 05:09:06PM +0530, Mukund JB`. wrote:
> To handle it in a similarly in Linux we need to support this driver with
> partitions. There looks a loop hole in the driver.
> I will verify and fix it today.
I suggest having a look at how other drivers use the add_disk call,
since it calls the partition checking code already in the kernel
automatically as far as I can tell. You really shouldn't have to write
any of the partition parsing code at all. You should just have to setup
a structure describing the disk and which major/minor numbers it uses,
and passing that to add_disk and it should deal with the rest.
> Just out of inquisitive ness.
>
> What r u the minor numbers of those zip devices.
> ll /dev/zip
> ll /dev/zip4
They are symlinks:
/dev/zip -> /dev/sda
/dev/zip4 -> /dev/sda4
sda uses major,minor: 8,0
sda1: 8.1
sda2: 8,2
...
sda15: 8,15
sdb: 8,16
sdb1: 8.17
...
sdb15: 8,31
That is how scsi does it.
If your driver supports multiple slots at once, decide how many to
support, or decide to only allow a few partitions, and space them by 8
or 16 (allowing 7 and 15 partitions respectively), and it should be easy
to deal with. sda of course accesses the whole device, while sda1 and
up are for those partitions. I am pretty sure there is standard
partition handling code in the kernel you should be accessing.
> Thanks for ur support.
> I will check with partition support in the driver & update it.
> Let me fix it there and come back.
Len Sorensen
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* RE: The Linux FAT issue on SD Cards.. maintainer support please
@ 2005-08-24 8:33 Mukund JB.
2005-08-24 13:13 ` Lennart Sorensen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Mukund JB. @ 2005-08-24 8:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lennart Sorensen; +Cc: hirofumi, linux-kernel-Mailing-list
Dear Lenneart,
One good news
I have implemented the partition support in the driver.
I am able to mount the partition of the individual device.
I partition them using the fdisk and mounted them.
The architecture this some thing like this
The whole device is represented by tfa0
And rest of the partitions by tfa0p1, tfa0p2 and so on...
If there is a device in second socket, the whole device is represented
by tfa1 and rest of the partitions by tfa1p1, tfa1p2 and so on... I am
following the above conventions. Is the is what in general all Linux
devices follow.
I have four sockets on which I have to support individual device with
partitions on them. Is there a better conventional way to represent all
the four devices? My driver also supports 4 such controllers. To support
first socket device on the second controller I am using tfb0, tfb0p1,
tfb0p2...
I have left with handling lot of generalization in the code.
Regards,
Mukund Jampala
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Lennart Sorensen [mailto:lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca]
>Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:57 PM
>To: Mukund JB`.
>Cc: hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp; linux-kernel-Mailing-list
>Subject: Re: The Linux FAT issue on SD Cards.. maintainer support
please
>
>On Thu, Aug 18, 2005 at 06:21:39PM +0530, Mukund JB`. wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I have few updates in this issue.
>> I have attached the Images as well as the mount-log to this mail.
>> Please see the comments inline.
>>
>> I think, fdisk it trying to portray that n/o cylinders 448. So, it
also
>> takes care of displaying the relevant n/o sector & NO more or NO
less.
>>
>> I have implemented the partition support in the driver but some HOW I
am
>> NOT able to get the driver working with all the sockets. It is just
>> working with the socket 0 and NO other socket.
>> I mean I am able to mount windows & linux formatted SD card with new
>> driver present from socket 0.
>>
>> I have an update on this.
>>
>> I found some common things between the windows formatted SD & Linux
>> formatted SD.
>> I found that both of then do NOT have the partition table.
>> I found that both of them have FAT12 FS in the sector 0 starting at
>> offset 0.
>> Why? I am NOT able to guess.
>
>If you don't use fdisk to create a partition on the card, then you
won't
>have one. If you mkdosfs on /dev/tfa0 then you loose the partition
>table and get a filesystem on just the whole disk. If you do it with
>/dev/tfa0p1 then you do it on the first partition which would then have
>the FAT filesystem starting at the offset of the first partition (as it
>should).
>
>> For Windows formatted SD there is NO partition table at all.
>> I went on more R&D and tried to get to format the USB-Thumb drive.
>> Even that did NOT have a partition table.
>> It looks like windows treats all removable media device as devices
with
>> NO partitions.
>
>That is right. Although I believe if windows sees one with a partition
>table it will just use the first valid partition table entry it finds
>and ignore the rest.
>
>> Even on Linux formatted SD there is NO partition table present.
>>
>> Please have a look at the images I am attaching to this mail.
>> I have attached CAM-MS, WIN-Ms & Linux-MS first 512 byte length
Images.
>> These are the Images of first 512 bytes of sector 0.
>> You can find the FS there on Lin & Win Images.
>>
>> I have verified this by keeping some DEBUG messages in the FAT layer
&
>> seeing what data is being passed to this fat_boot_sector structure
when
>> mount call is issued.
>> I am also attaching those LOG messages. please Have a LOOK at them
too &
>> you will have a fair understanding.
>>
>> I have verified it with fdisk -l -u /dev/tfa0
>> It has shown that it is the partition 0 & nothing else.
>>
>> Please see the Images-All-MS-512.tar.gz.
>
>Well to mount anything without a partition table, you would mount the
>whole device (/dev/tfa0) and to mount one with a partition table on it,
>you would mount /dev/tfa0p1 or tfa0p4 or whichever partition it is.
>
>Zip drives used to be the same way. Some were formated with 1
partition
>(usually 1 or 4) and some had no partition table at all and used the
>whole disk for the filesystem. I always had a /zip and /zip4 mount
>point I used depending on the particular disk I was looking at.
>
>Len Sorensen
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* Re: The Linux FAT issue on SD Cards.. maintainer support please
2005-08-24 8:33 Mukund JB.
@ 2005-08-24 13:13 ` Lennart Sorensen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Lennart Sorensen @ 2005-08-24 13:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mukund JB.; +Cc: hirofumi, linux-kernel-Mailing-list
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 02:03:16PM +0530, Mukund JB. wrote:
> Dear Lenneart,
>
> One good news
> I have implemented the partition support in the driver.
> I am able to mount the partition of the individual device.
> I partition them using the fdisk and mounted them.
> The architecture this some thing like this
> The whole device is represented by tfa0
> And rest of the partitions by tfa0p1, tfa0p2 and so on...
> If there is a device in second socket, the whole device is represented
> by tfa1 and rest of the partitions by tfa1p1, tfa1p2 and so on... I am
> following the above conventions. Is the is what in general all Linux
> devices follow.
Most common for disk devices is XXYZ where XX is some name for the
driver (hd for ide, sd for scsi, other things for other drive types), Y
is a letter (a for first, b for second, c for third, etc) and Z is the
partition number. So in your case you could have:
tfaa for first slot
tfaa1 for first partition on first slot.
tfab for second slot
tfab4 for 4th partition on second slot.
Or call it tf and use tfa1 tfb4 etc.
> I have four sockets on which I have to support individual device with
> partitions on them. Is there a better conventional way to represent all
> the four devices? My driver also supports 4 such controllers. To support
> first socket device on the second controller I am using tfb0, tfb0p1,
> tfb0p2...
Well at least ide and scsi don't care which controller, they still just
name them in order. You could just use tfa up to tfp for the devices.
That is what I would do unless the seperate controllers really make more
sense to users (counting to slot 16 might be a bit much using letters
for some users).
Maybe tf1a2 for controller 1 slot a partition 2 would be nicer to the
user. Some raid cards do use /dev/raidname/c1d2p3 for card 1 device 2
partition 3. Maybe you prefer that arangement.
> I have left with handling lot of generalization in the code.
Len Sorensen
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* RE: The Linux FAT issue on SD Cards.. maintainer support please
@ 2005-08-24 13:18 Mukund JB.
2005-08-24 13:28 ` Lennart Sorensen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Mukund JB. @ 2005-08-24 13:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lennart Sorensen; +Cc: hirofumi, linux-kernel-Mailing-list
Dear Lenneart,
>Most common for disk devices is XXYZ where XX is some name for the
>driver (hd for ide, sd for scsi, other things for other drive types), Y
>is a letter (a for first, b for second, c for third, etc) and Z is the
>partition number. So in your case you could have:
>
>tfaa for first slot
>tfaa1 for first partition on first slot.
>tfab for second slot
>tfab4 for 4th partition on second slot.
>Or call it tf and use tfa1 tfb4 etc.
That's fine.
My controller itself alone handle FOUR device at a time (u mea these
should be (tfa, b , c d)
But how do I represent if I have more than one such controller i.e. it
is more 4 devices each with more parttions again.
Thanks & Regards,
Mukund Jampala
>
>> I have four sockets on which I have to support individual device with
>> partitions on them. Is there a better conventional way to represent
all
>> the four devices? My driver also supports 4 such controllers. To
support
>> first socket device on the second controller I am using tfb0, tfb0p1,
>> tfb0p2...
>
>Well at least ide and scsi don't care which controller, they still just
>name them in order. You could just use tfa up to tfp for the devices.
>That is what I would do unless the seperate controllers really make
more
>sense to users (counting to slot 16 might be a bit much using letters
>for some users).
>
>Maybe tf1a2 for controller 1 slot a partition 2 would be nicer to the
>user. Some raid cards do use /dev/raidname/c1d2p3 for card 1 device 2
>partition 3. Maybe you prefer that arangement.
>
>> I have left with handling lot of generalization in the code.
>
>Len Sorensen
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* Re: The Linux FAT issue on SD Cards.. maintainer support please
2005-08-24 13:18 Mukund JB.
@ 2005-08-24 13:28 ` Lennart Sorensen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Lennart Sorensen @ 2005-08-24 13:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mukund JB.; +Cc: hirofumi, linux-kernel-Mailing-list
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 06:48:20PM +0530, Mukund JB. wrote:
> My controller itself alone handle FOUR device at a time (u mea these
> should be (tfa, b , c d)
> But how do I represent if I have more than one such controller i.e. it
> is more 4 devices each with more parttions again.
Well the scsi and ide way is that the next controller continues with tfe
f g h, and the next controller has tfi j k and l, etc. Doesn't mean you
should do it that way, just that that is how it is done for ide and scsi
when multiple controllers are present. After all normal ide controllers
handle 4 disks maximum (through two ports). A system with two dual port
ide controllers would have hda ... hdh.
Len Sorensen
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