* man-pages-2.08 is released [not found] <434D5224.9754.10AC691@localhost> @ 2005-10-12 16:26 ` Michael Kerrisk 2005-10-12 17:10 ` Jesse Barnes 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Michael Kerrisk @ 2005-10-12 16:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-kernel; +Cc: michael.kerrisk, Andries.Brouwer Gidday, I recently released man-pages-2.08, which contains sections 2, 3, 4, 5, and 7 of the manual pages. These sections describe the following: 2: (Linux) system calls 3: (libc) library functions 4: Devices 5: File formats and protocols 7: Overview pages, conventions, etc. As far as this list is concerned the most relevant parts are: all of sections 2 and 4, which describe kernel-userland interfaces; in section 5, the proc(5) manual page, which attempts (it's always catching up) to be a comprehensive description of /proc; and various pages in section 7, some of which are overview pages of kernel features (e.g., networking protocols). This is a request to kernel developers: if you make a change to a kernel-userland interface, or observe a discrepancy between the manual pages and reality, would you please send me (at mtk-manpages@gmx.net ) one of the following (in decreasing order of preference): 1. An in-line "diff -u" patch with text changes for the corresponding manual page. (The most up-to-date version of the manual pages can always be found at ftp://ftp.win.tue.nl/pub/linux-local/manpages or ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/manpages .) 2. An email describing the changes, which I can then integrate into the appropriate manual page. 3. A message alerting me that some part of the manual pages does not correspond to reality. Eventually, I will try to remedy the situation. Obviously, as we get further down this list, more of my time is required, and things may go slower, especially when the changes concern some part of the kernel that I am ignorant about and I can't find someone to assist. To give an idea of the kinds of things that are desired as manual page additions/improvements, I've shown extracts from the man-pages-2.08 Changelog below. Cheers, Michael ==================== Changes in man-pages-2.08 ==================== connect.2 Add EINTR error getpriority.2 Expanded discussion of relationship between user and kernel representations of the nice value. Added discussion of RLIMIT_NICE and a cross reference to getrlimit.2 under the description of the EACCES error. Noted 2.6.12 change in credentials checking for setpriority(). getrlimit.2 Added description of RLIMIT_RTPRIO Added description of RLIMIT_NICE mmap.2 Noted bug in MAP_POPULATE for kernels before 2.6.7. mremap.2 Added _GNU_SOURCE to prototype. Rewrote description of MREMAP_MAYMOVE. Rewrote description of EAGAIN error. Added discussion of resizing of memory locks. msgctl.2 Added IPC_INFO, MSG_INFO, MSG_STAT descriptions. prctl.2 Since kernel 2.6.13 PR_SET_DUMPABLE can also have the value 2. remap_file_pages.2 Added text to note that start and size are both rounded downwards. sched_setparam.2 Modified discussion of privileges; added pointer to sched_setscheduler.2 for a discussion of privileges and resource limits. sched_setscheduler.2 Modified discussion of privileges; added discussion of RLIMIT_RTPRIO. semctl.2 Added IPC_INFO, SEM_INFO, SEM_STAT descriptions. shmctl.2 Added IPC_INFO, SHM_INFO, SHM_STAT descriptions. sigaction.2 Split sigpending(), sigprocmask(), and sigsuspend() out into separate new pages. sigpending.2 New page created by splitting out from sigaction.2 sigprocmask.2 New page created by splitting out from sigaction.2 Added text on effect of NULL for 'set' argument. Added text noting effect of ignoring SIGBUS, SIGFPE, SIGILL, and SIGSEGV. Noted that sigprocmask() can't be used in multithreaded process. Fixed EINVAL error diagnostic. sigsuspend.2 New page created by splitting out from sigaction.2 Added NOTES on usage. stat.2 Improve st_blocks description. getaddrinfo.3 Nowadays (since 2.3.4) glibc only sets the first ai_canonname field if AI_CANONNAME was specified (the current behavior is all that SUSv3 requires). 1,$s/PF_/AF_/g Added descriptions of AI_ALL, AI_ADDRCONFIG, AI_V4MAPPED, and AI_NUMERICSERV. setenv.3 glibc 2.3.4 fixed the "name contains '='" bug proc.5 Improve text describing /proc/sys/fs/mqueue/* files Describe /proc/sys/fs/suid_dumpable (new in 2.6.13) Added placeholder mention of /proc/zoneinfo (new in 2.6.13) More needs to be said about this file Repaired earlier cut and paste mistake which resulted in part of the text of this page being duplicated. capabilities.7 Added CAP_AUDIT_CONTROL and CAP_AUDIT_WRITE. ip.7 Fix discussion of IPC_RECVTTL / IP_TTL socket.7 Clarified details of use of SO_PEERCRED. udp.7 Added description of UDP_CORK socket option -- Michael Kerrisk maintainer of Linux man pages Sections 2, 3, 4, 5, and 7 Want to help with man page maintenance? Grab the latest tarball at ftp://ftp.win.tue.nl/pub/linux-local/manpages/ and grep the source files for 'FIXME'. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: man-pages-2.08 is released 2005-10-12 16:26 ` man-pages-2.08 is released Michael Kerrisk @ 2005-10-12 17:10 ` Jesse Barnes 2005-10-13 8:52 ` Michael Kerrisk 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Jesse Barnes @ 2005-10-12 17:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Kerrisk; +Cc: linux-kernel, michael.kerrisk, Andries.Brouwer On Wednesday, October 12, 2005 9:26 am, Michael Kerrisk wrote: > This is a request to kernel developers: if you make a change > to a kernel-userland interface, or observe a discrepancy > between the manual pages and reality, would you please send > me (at mtk-manpages@gmx.net ) one of the following > (in decreasing order of preference): Would it make sense for some of the man pages (or maybe all of them) that correspond directly to kernel interfaces (e.g. syscalls, procfs & sysfs descriptions) to be bundled directly with the kernel? Andrew is generally pretty good about asking people to update the stuff in Documentation/ when necessary, so maybe the man pages would be kept more up to date if developers were forced to deal with them more directly. OTOH, they comprise a fairly large package, so adding them to the kernel tarball would increase its size a lot. The man pages are great; I'm just thinking that if some of them were bundled with the kernel there'd be a bit less work for you to do (just proofreading and acking changes hopefully). Also, if they were there, it might motivate people to convert some of the stuff in Documentation to section 7 man pages (the janitors have been doing a lot of good stuff, maybe that would be another area where they could contribute). Thanks, Jesse ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: man-pages-2.08 is released 2005-10-12 17:10 ` Jesse Barnes @ 2005-10-13 8:52 ` Michael Kerrisk 2005-10-13 17:46 ` Jesse Barnes 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Michael Kerrisk @ 2005-10-13 8:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jesse Barnes; +Cc: linux-kernel, michael.kerrisk, Andries.Brouwer > Von: Jesse Barnes <jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org> > > On Wednesday, October 12, 2005 9:26 am, Michael Kerrisk wrote: > > This is a request to kernel developers: if you make a change > > to a kernel-userland interface, or observe a discrepancy > > between the manual pages and reality, would you please send > > me (at mtk-manpages@gmx.net ) one of the following > > (in decreasing order of preference): > > Would it make sense for some of the man pages (or maybe all of them) that > correspond directly to kernel interfaces (e.g. syscalls, procfs & sysfs > descriptions) to be bundled directly with the kernel? Andrew is > generally pretty good about asking people to update the stuff in > Documentation/ when necessary, so maybe the man pages would be kept more > up to date if developers were forced to deal with them more directly. Recently, I was just wondering the same thing. However, there are complexities to consider. C libraries (okay, glibc is the main one I concern myself with) sometimes add some functionality in the wrapper function for a particular system call. This also needs to be documented in the Secion 2 page. Nevertheless, I think the idea of binding the kernel sources and Sections 2 and 4 of the manual pages a bit more tightly bears some consideration. In the ideal world, when a change is made to the kernel, the patch could include adjustments to the man pages (if relevant) -- then the changes could follow the patch through the -mm tree and then into Linus's tree. > OTOH, they comprise a fairly large package, so adding them to the kernel > tarball would increase its size a lot. I'd guess that the uncompressed source of the relevant pages would be around 3 MB. > The man pages are great; Thanks. But the greatest part of credit must go to Andries, the maintainer for nearly 10 years. I'm shortly coming up to my first anniversary... Cheers, Michael -- Michael Kerrisk maintainer of Linux man pages Sections 2, 3, 4, 5, and 7 Want to help with man page maintenance? Grab the latest tarball at ftp://ftp.win.tue.nl/pub/linux-local/manpages/ and grep the source files for 'FIXME'. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: man-pages-2.08 is released 2005-10-13 8:52 ` Michael Kerrisk @ 2005-10-13 17:46 ` Jesse Barnes 0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread From: Jesse Barnes @ 2005-10-13 17:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Kerrisk; +Cc: linux-kernel, michael.kerrisk, Andries.Brouwer On Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:52 am, Michael Kerrisk wrote: > Recently, I was just wondering the same thing. However, there > are complexities to consider. C libraries (okay, glibc is the > main one I concern myself with) sometimes add some functionality > in the wrapper function for a particular system call. This also > needs to be documented in the Secion 2 page. True. But there are other libcs available (e.g. klibc, dietlibc) too. I'd think that if the pages were bundled with the kernel, they should describe exactly what the kernel does, while pages bundled with a libc would describe any enhancements (or breakages) that the particular libc includes. But then what to do about duplicates? Or should the raw kernel interfaces have their own section, while libc interfaces remain in section 2? Or should the libc versions typically replace the kernel versions on running systems? Or 'patch' the existing kernel pages somehow? So many questions... ;) > Nevertheless, I think the idea of binding the kernel sources and > Sections 2 and 4 of the manual pages a bit more tightly bears > some consideration. In the ideal world, when a change is made to > the kernel, the patch could include adjustments to the man > pages (if relevant) -- then the changes could follow the patch > through the -mm tree and then into Linus's tree. That was my though too; it's certainly easier to ask people to update manual pages in Documentation/ or man/ when they do a kernel patch than to ask them to download a separate package and make the changes (since they'll probably never get around to doing the latter :). > > OTOH, they comprise a fairly large package, so adding them to the > > kernel tarball would increase its size a lot. > > I'd guess that the uncompressed source of the relevant pages > would be around 3 MB. Ok, that's not too bad. Having full, up-to-date man pages would be worth the extra few megs to me at least. > > The man pages are great; > > Thanks. But the greatest part of credit must go to Andries, > the maintainer for nearly 10 years. I'm shortly coming up to my > first anniversary... Many thanks to both of you then! Jesse ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
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