From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: George Anzinger <george@mvista.com>
Cc: john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
Fernando Lopez-Lezcano <nando@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>,
Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com>,
Rui Nuno Capela <rncbc@rncbc.org>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
david singleton <dsingleton@mvista.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cc@ccrma.Stanford.EDU,
William Weston <weston@lysdexia.org>
Subject: Re: 2.6.14-rc4-rt7
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:28:00 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051026082800.GB28660@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <435E91AA.7080900@mvista.com>
* George Anzinger <george@mvista.com> wrote:
> The TSC is such a fast and, usually, accurate answer, I think it
> deserves a little effort to save it. With your new clock code I think
> we could use per cpu TSC counters, read the full 64 bits and, in real
> corner cases, even per cpu conversion "constants" and solve this
> problem.
the problem is, this is the same issue as 'boot-time TSC syncing', but
in disguise: to get any 'per CPU TSC offset' you need to do exactly the
same type of careful all-CPUs-dance to ensure that the TSCs were sampled
at around the same moment in time!
The box where i have these small TSC inconsistencies shows that it's the
bootup synchronization of TSCs that failed to be 100% accurate. Even a 2
usecs error in synchronization can show up as a time-warp - regardless
of whether we keep per-CPU TSC offsets or whether we clear these offsets
back to 0. So it is not a solution to do another type of synchronization
dance. The only solution is to fix the boot-time synchronization (where
the hardware keeps TSCs synchronized all the time), or to switch TSCs
off where this is not possible.
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-10-26 8:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-10-17 16:05 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Ingo Molnar
2005-10-17 17:06 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Mark Knecht
2005-10-17 19:21 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-10-18 1:30 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-10-18 1:50 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Mark Knecht
2005-10-18 6:54 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Ingo Molnar
2005-10-18 7:28 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Ingo Molnar
2005-10-18 14:11 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 K.R. Foley
2005-10-18 14:49 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Ingo Molnar
2005-10-18 21:04 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-10-18 21:31 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 William Weston
2005-10-19 6:01 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Steven Rostedt
2005-10-19 11:19 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Ingo Molnar
2005-10-20 19:12 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-10-20 19:16 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Ingo Molnar
2005-10-20 23:55 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-10-21 8:05 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Ingo Molnar
2005-10-21 23:25 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-10-22 0:20 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Mark Knecht
2005-10-22 3:41 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Ingo Molnar
2005-10-22 5:12 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Lee Revell
2005-10-22 23:25 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-10-22 3:58 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Ingo Molnar
2005-10-24 19:28 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-10-24 19:38 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-10-24 19:46 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 john stultz
2005-10-25 9:17 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Antonio
2005-10-25 15:44 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Ingo Molnar
2005-10-25 15:58 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-10-25 17:35 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-10-25 18:16 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 john stultz
2005-10-25 20:12 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 George Anzinger
2005-10-26 8:28 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2005-10-26 16:03 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 George Anzinger
2005-10-26 17:17 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 George Anzinger
2005-10-26 20:45 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Rui Nuno Capela
2005-10-26 22:07 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 William Weston
2005-10-26 23:33 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 john stultz
2005-10-26 23:54 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 William Weston
2005-10-26 23:58 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Steven Rostedt
2005-10-27 0:11 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 john stultz
2005-10-27 0:34 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 William Weston
2005-10-26 23:57 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Steven Rostedt
2005-10-27 0:02 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 William Weston
2005-10-27 0:45 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 john stultz
2005-10-27 1:07 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Steven Rostedt
2005-10-27 1:22 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 john stultz
2005-10-27 1:37 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Steven Rostedt
2005-10-27 1:52 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 john stultz
2005-10-27 2:11 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Steven Rostedt
2005-10-27 22:01 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 William Weston
2005-10-27 22:32 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Steven Rostedt
2005-10-27 1:26 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Steven Rostedt
2005-10-27 8:01 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Rui Nuno Capela
2005-10-27 17:44 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Steven Rostedt
2005-10-27 23:18 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Rui Nuno Capela
2005-10-28 17:13 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-11-03 22:13 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 - [PATCH] improved boot time TSC synchronization Jim Houston
2005-10-24 20:39 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Steven Rostedt
2005-10-24 21:00 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Lee Revell
2005-10-17 21:43 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Daniel Walker
2005-10-17 22:03 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Thomas Gleixner
2005-10-17 22:05 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Daniel Walker
2005-10-17 22:15 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Thomas Gleixner
2005-10-18 6:42 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Ingo Molnar
2005-10-18 16:23 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Daniel Walker
2005-10-18 20:26 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Ingo Molnar
2005-10-18 0:19 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Daniel Walker
2005-10-18 6:45 ` 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 Ingo Molnar
2005-10-20 19:54 ` 2.6.14-rc5-rt1 Ingo Molnar
2005-10-20 23:33 ` 2.6.14-rc5-rt1 Felix Oxley
2005-10-21 0:39 ` 2.6.14-rc5-rt1 Mark Knecht
2005-10-21 13:47 ` 2.6.14-rc5-rt1 Mark Knecht
2005-10-21 10:01 ` 2.6.14-rc5-rt1 Felix Oxley
2005-10-21 10:16 ` 2.6.14-rc5-rt1 Ingo Molnar
2005-10-21 10:18 ` 2.6.14-rc5-rt1 Felix Oxley
2005-10-21 10:26 ` 2.6.14-rc5-rt1 Felix Oxley
2005-10-22 23:23 ` 2.6.14-rc5-rt1 Felix Oxley
2005-10-24 22:28 ` [ANNOUNCE] 2.6.14-rc5-rt5 kgdb update George Anzinger
2005-11-12 15:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-12 15:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-12 16:10 ` George Anzinger
2005-10-30 13:33 ` 2.6.14-rt1 Ingo Molnar
2005-10-30 14:58 ` 2.6.14-rt1 K.R. Foley
2005-10-30 15:41 ` 2.6.14-rt1 Steven Rostedt
2005-10-30 17:17 ` 2.6.14-rt1 Ingo Molnar
2005-10-30 17:19 ` 2.6.14-rt1 Ingo Molnar
2005-10-30 16:30 ` 2.6.14-rt1 Mark Knecht
2005-10-31 18:13 ` 2.6.14-rt1 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-11-01 20:18 ` 2.6.14-rt1 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-11-02 2:47 ` 2.6.14-rt1 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-11-02 2:55 ` 2.6.14-rt1 Carlos Antunes
2005-11-02 3:05 ` 2.6.14-rt1 Steven Rostedt
2005-11-02 3:26 ` 2.6.14-rt1 Carlos Antunes
2005-11-02 3:32 ` 2.6.14-rt1 Steven Rostedt
2005-11-02 3:36 ` 2.6.14-rt1 Carlos Antunes
2005-11-02 4:05 ` 2.6.14-rt1 Carlos Antunes
2005-11-02 9:21 ` 2.6.14-rt1 Florian Schmidt
2005-11-02 14:35 ` 2.6.14-rt1 Carlos Antunes
2005-11-02 14:40 ` 2.6.14-rt1 Ingo Molnar
2005-11-02 14:45 ` 2.6.14-rt1 Carlos Antunes
2005-11-02 15:37 ` 2.6.14-rt1 Steven Rostedt
2005-11-02 16:07 ` 2.6.14-rt1 Carlos Antunes
2005-11-02 16:24 ` 2.6.14-rt1 Steven Rostedt
2005-11-02 16:53 ` 2.6.14-rt1 Carlos Antunes
2005-11-02 16:37 ` 2.6.14-rt1 Steven Rostedt
2005-11-02 18:13 ` 2.6.14-rt1 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-11-02 7:02 ` 2.6.14-rt1 Ingo Molnar
2005-11-02 18:13 ` 2.6.14-rt1 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-11-04 7:04 ` 2.6.14-rt1 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-11-02 21:41 ` 2.6.14-rt4: __get_nsec_offset() false positives john stultz
2005-11-03 6:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-05 2:35 ` 2.6.14-rt1 (now rt6) Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-11-05 3:46 ` Mark Knecht
2005-11-09 11:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-10 12:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-10 22:10 ` Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
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