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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: sekharan@us.ibm.com
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, lse-tech@lists.sourceforge.net,
	paulmck@us.ibm.com, kaos@sgi.com, greg@kroah.com,
	Douglas_Warzecha@dell.com, Abhay_Salunke@dell.com,
	achim_leubner@adaptec.com, dmp@davidmpye.dyndns.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7]: Fix for unsafe notifier chain
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:07:41 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051126200741.421a342a.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1132789071.9460.16.camel@linuxchandra>

Chandra Seetharaman <sekharan@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>
> Andrew,
> 
> I posted this set of patch to lkml last Friday as an RFC. Can you
> consider these for -mm inclusion.

This all looks exotically complex.

> ...
> 
> Here are the details:
> In 2.6.14, notifier chains are unsafe. notifier_call_chain() walks through
> the list of a call chain without any protection.
> 
> Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> brought the issue and suggested a fix
> in lkml on Oct 24 2005:
> 	http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=113018709002036&w=2
> 
> There was a lot of discussion on that thread regarding the issue, and
> following were the conclusions about the requirements of the notifier
> call mechanism:
> 
> 	- The chain list has to be protected in all the places where the
> 	  list is accessed.
> 	- We need a new notifier_head data structure to encompass the head 
> 	  of the notifier chain and a semaphore that protects the list.
> 	- There should be two types of call chains: one that is called in 
> 	  a process context and another that is called in atomic/interrupt
> 	  context.
> 	- No lock should be acquired in notifier_call_chain() for an
> 	  atomic-type chain.
> 	- notifier_chain_register() and notifier_chain_unregister() should
> 	  be called only from process context.
> 	- notifier_chain_unregister() should _not_ be called from a
> 	  callout routine.
> 
> I posted an RFC that meets the above listed requirements last Friday:
> 	- http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=113175279131346&w=2
> 	
> Paul McKenney provided some suggestions w.r.t RCU usage. This patchset fixes
> the issues he raised.  Keith Owens posted some changes to the diechain for
> various architectures; his changes are included here.

- You don't state _why_ a callback cannot call
  notifier_chain_unregister().  I assume that's because of the use of
  write_lock() locking?

  We could do this with a new callback function return code and do it in
  the core, or just change the code so it is permitted.

- You don't explain why RCU has been introduced into this subsystem. 
  Seems overkillish, or was it done as a way to solve the correctness
  problems?

- Generally, please don't put so much stuff into the [patch 0/N] email. 
  We never put empty patches into git so some sucker has to move all the
  [0/N] content into [1/N].  Better that it's you than me.

- Overall take on the patches: the problem here is that notifier chains
  try to provide their own locking.  Each time we design a container which
  does that, we screw it up and we regret it.

  Please consider removing all locking from the notifer chains and moving
  it into the callers.

  A migration path would be:

  - Introduce a new notifier API which is wholly unlocked

  - Migrate all callers over to that

  - Remove the current implementation

  Note that with this scheme, callbacks which wish to call the unregister
  function can do that, as long as they are not using read_lock() or
  down_read() during the chain traversal.

  reply	other threads:[~2005-11-27  4:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-23 23:37 Chandra Seetharaman
2005-11-27  4:07 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2005-11-27 13:47   ` [Lse-tech] " Andi Kleen
2005-11-27 15:59     ` Keith Owens
2005-11-27 17:27       ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-27 17:39         ` Keith Owens
2005-11-27 19:56           ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-27 22:03             ` Greg KH
2005-11-28  2:43               ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-11-28  4:57                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-28  4:59                   ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-28  5:05                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-11-28  5:15                       ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-28  8:31                     ` Keith Owens
2005-11-28 12:07                       ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-28 19:55                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-12-04 16:19                       ` Alan Cox
2005-12-06 23:38                         ` Keith Owens
2005-12-07  2:43                           ` Keith Owens
2005-11-28  1:19             ` Keith Owens
2005-11-28 18:58   ` Chandra Seetharaman

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