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From: Harald Welte <laforge@gnumonks.org>
To: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
Cc: Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org>,
	Michael Buesch <mbuesch@freenet.de>,
	jgarzik@pobox.com, bcm43xx-dev@lists.berlios.de,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Bcm43xx-dev] [Fwd: State of the Union: Wireless]
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:20:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060112142042.GJ4430@sunbeam.de.gnumonks.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43BE6697.3030009@trash.net>

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On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 01:46:15PM +0100, Patrick McHardy wrote:
> Marcel Holtmann wrote:
> 
> >>I just personally liked the idea of having a device node in /dev for
> >>every existing hardware wlan card. Like we have device nodes for
> >>other real hardware, too. It felt like a bit of a "unix way" to do
> >>this to me. I don't say this is the way to go.
> >>If a netlink socket is used (which is possible, for sure), we stay with
> >>the old way of having no device node in /dev for networking devices.
> >>That is ok. But that is really only an implementation detail (and for sure
> >>a matter of taste).
> >At the OLS last year, I think the consensus was to use netlink for all
> >configuration task. However this was mainly driven by Harald Welte and
> >he might be able to talk about the pros and cons of netlink versus a
> >character device.
> 
> I think the main advantages of netlink over a character device is its
> flexible format, which is easily extendable, and multicast capability,

Especially the multicast capability is _extrmely_ handy, since you
basically can have all sorts of dock-applets or monitoring applications
that don't need to rely on polling device status but instead get
multicast notifications of configuration changes.

Also, as a theoretical option, you could implement parts of the wireless
subsystem outside of the kernel - esp. for the more extensive
authentication/keying/rekeying functions.

A wireless configuration program would just speak netlink to a
particular netlink multicast group.  Whether or not the receiving
functional entity is implemented in the kernel or in a wireless daemon
in userspace could be completely transparent, as long as the protocol is
the same.

-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge@gnumonks.org>          	        http://gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-01-12 14:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1136541243.4037.18.camel@localhost>
2006-01-06 11:00 ` Michael Buesch
2006-01-06 11:38   ` Marcel Holtmann
2006-01-06 11:45     ` Michael Buesch
2006-01-06 12:10       ` Marcel Holtmann
2006-01-06 12:46         ` Patrick McHardy
2006-01-06 18:23           ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-01-06 22:16           ` David Lang
2006-01-06 22:18             ` David S. Miller
2006-01-09 18:24               ` Ingo Oeser
2006-01-06 22:22             ` Patrick McHardy
2006-01-12 14:20           ` Harald Welte [this message]
2006-01-06 16:12       ` Feyd
2006-01-06 16:25         ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-06 16:04   ` State of the Union: Wireless Mike Kershaw
2006-01-06 17:02   ` [Bcm43xx-dev] [Fwd: State of the Union: Wireless] Ben Greear
     [not found] <5rXDU-5s4-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <5rXDU-5s4-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
2006-01-06 22:57   ` Bodo Eggert

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