From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: Phillip Susi <psusi@cfl.rr.com>
Cc: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>,
Alon Bar-Lev <alon.barlev@gmail.com>,
Kernel development list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Flames over -- Re: Which is simpler?
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:04:45 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060217210445.GR3490@openzaurus.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43F11A9D.5010301@cfl.rr.com>
Hi!
> >You are ignoring the question of how the kernel can tell whether two
> >devices are in fact the same. There is no safe way to do this,
> >other than having the hardware verify that the device was connected
> >the whole time.
> >
> >
> If there is no better way to tell for sure that the device that is
> now there is not the same as the one that was there, then the kernel
> must assume the user did not do something stupid and continue to use
Must?! Are you Linus or what?
> the device as if it was not disconnected ( because odds are, it in
> fact, was not ). In other words, which is more safe? ALLWAYS
> loosing data because you can't be absolutely sure that the device is
> the same, or only loosing data if the user does something as foolish
> as swapping drives while suspended, and you can't tell they did?
You are missing this. In 1st case, no data is actually lost, because of
sync in suspend code;
while second case is "goodbye, filesystem".
Pavel
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-02-18 12:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-02-12 16:57 Alan Stern
2006-02-13 0:51 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-13 2:19 ` Alan Stern
2006-02-13 3:52 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-13 5:43 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-13 16:40 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-13 16:31 ` Alan Stern
2006-02-13 17:14 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-13 20:04 ` Alan Stern
2006-02-13 20:38 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-13 21:24 ` Alan Stern
2006-02-13 22:27 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-02-14 19:26 ` Alan Stern
2006-02-14 20:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-02-14 21:08 ` Lee Revell
2006-02-15 15:56 ` Alan Stern
2006-02-13 22:51 ` J. Bruce Fields
2006-02-13 23:47 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-14 0:50 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-14 2:09 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-14 4:09 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-14 4:28 ` Alan Stern
2006-02-14 5:11 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-14 15:33 ` Alan Stern
2006-02-14 6:27 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-14 16:23 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-14 18:39 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-14 19:55 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-14 21:13 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-14 23:32 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-15 3:08 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-14 19:14 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-02-14 19:37 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-17 21:04 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2006-02-18 16:34 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-18 17:29 ` Pavel Machek
2006-02-19 5:52 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-19 9:02 ` Pavel Machek
2006-02-19 16:35 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-19 16:41 ` Alan Stern
2006-02-19 19:17 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-19 19:43 ` Pavel Machek
2006-02-20 0:56 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-02-20 1:01 ` Pavel Machek
2006-02-20 1:26 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-02-20 4:04 ` Alan Stern
2006-02-19 20:16 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2006-02-18 21:04 ` Alan Stern
2006-02-19 0:02 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-19 6:02 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-19 6:32 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-19 16:39 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-19 16:54 ` Alan Stern
2006-02-19 20:02 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-19 20:44 ` Oliver Neukum
2006-02-19 21:02 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-20 6:55 ` Oliver Neukum
2006-02-20 7:29 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-20 7:57 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-14 14:15 ` hackmiester / Hunter Fuller
2006-02-15 23:51 ` Pavel Machek
2006-02-13 2:25 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-13 19:16 David Brownell
2006-02-13 20:08 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-14 3:10 ` David Brownell
2006-02-14 6:05 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-14 17:04 ` David Brownell
2006-02-15 23:43 ` Pavel Machek
2006-02-18 20:51 ` David Brownell
2006-02-19 6:06 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-20 5:50 ` David Brownell
2006-02-20 16:07 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-20 16:51 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-02-20 18:20 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-20 18:44 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-02-20 21:45 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-21 16:19 ` David Brownell
2006-02-21 18:30 ` Phillip Susi
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