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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: oliver@neukum.org, stern@rowland.harvard.edu, psusi@cfl.rr.com,
	pavel@suse.cz, torvalds@osdl.org, mrmacman_g4@mac.com,
	alon.barlev@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-pm@lists.osdl.org
Subject: Re: Flames over -- Re: Which is simpler?
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:57:52 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060219235752.2d6e252c.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060219232926.256665d6.akpm@osdl.org>

Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org> wrote:
>
>  > If you simply block writes, the system will stall random tasks laundering
>  > pages, including those needed to make progress. Even syncing before
>  > suspend won't help you, as a running user space may dirty pages.
> 
>  Well of _course_ that will happen.

Actually, it won't happen.  There's already logic in there to help pdflush,
kswapd and memory-allocating tasks avoid blocking on congested queues. 
It's trivial to extend that to avoidance of hotunplugged queues.

Things like sync(), fsync(), O_SYNC and reads will necessarily block.

We may or may not decide to block on page-dirtyings.  Again, that's trivial
to do in balance_dirty_pages().

Race conditions are pretty much unavoidable - if someone goes and disables
a device when we're partway through and committed to I/O submission then
things will get very sticky.  But we can have a pretty successful solution
to all of this without a ton of effort.

But this is all the easy part.

  reply	other threads:[~2006-02-20  7:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-02-12 16:57 Alan Stern
2006-02-13  0:51 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-13  2:19   ` Alan Stern
2006-02-13  3:52     ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-13  5:43       ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-13 16:40         ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-13 16:31       ` Alan Stern
2006-02-13 17:14         ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-13 20:04           ` Alan Stern
2006-02-13 20:38             ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-13 21:24               ` Alan Stern
2006-02-13 22:27                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-02-14 19:26                   ` Alan Stern
2006-02-14 20:41                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-02-14 21:08                       ` Lee Revell
2006-02-15 15:56                       ` Alan Stern
2006-02-13 22:51                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2006-02-13 23:47                 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-14  0:50                   ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-14  2:09                     ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-14  4:09                       ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-14  4:28                         ` Alan Stern
2006-02-14  5:11                           ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-14 15:33                             ` Alan Stern
2006-02-14  6:27                         ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-14 16:23                           ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-14 18:39                             ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-14 19:55                               ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-14 21:13                                 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-14 23:32                                   ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-15  3:08                                     ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-14 19:14                             ` Olivier Galibert
2006-02-14 19:37                               ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-17 21:04                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-02-18 16:34                     ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-18 17:29                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-02-19  5:52                         ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-19  9:02                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-02-19 16:35                             ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-19 16:41                               ` Alan Stern
2006-02-19 19:17                                 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-19 19:43                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-02-20  0:56                                     ` Olivier Galibert
2006-02-20  1:01                                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-02-20  1:26                                         ` Olivier Galibert
2006-02-20  4:04                                           ` Alan Stern
2006-02-19 20:16                                   ` Bernd Eckenfels
2006-02-18 21:04                     ` Alan Stern
2006-02-19  0:02                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-19  6:02                         ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-19  6:32                           ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-19 16:39                             ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-19 16:54                               ` Alan Stern
2006-02-19 20:02                                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-19 20:44                                   ` Oliver Neukum
2006-02-19 21:02                                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-20  6:55                                       ` Oliver Neukum
2006-02-20  7:29                                         ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-20  7:57                                           ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2006-02-14 14:15     ` hackmiester / Hunter Fuller
2006-02-15 23:51     ` Pavel Machek
2006-02-13  2:25   ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-13 19:16 David Brownell
2006-02-13 20:08 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-14  3:10   ` David Brownell
2006-02-14  6:05     ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-14 17:04       ` David Brownell
2006-02-15 23:43   ` Pavel Machek
2006-02-18 20:51     ` David Brownell
2006-02-19  6:06       ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-20  5:50         ` David Brownell
2006-02-20 16:07           ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-20 16:51             ` Olivier Galibert
2006-02-20 18:20               ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-20 18:44                 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-02-20 21:45                   ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-21 16:19             ` David Brownell
2006-02-21 18:30               ` Phillip Susi

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