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From: Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>
To: David Lang <dlang@digitalinsight.com>
Cc: Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Sam Vilain <sam@vilain.net>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>,
	Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>,
	Linux Kernel ML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:04:46 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060330020445.GT15997@sorel.sous-sol.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0603291738290.266@qynat.qvtvafvgr.pbz>

* David Lang (dlang@digitalinsight.com) wrote:
> what if the people administering the container are different from the 
> people administering the host?

Yes, I alluded to that.

> in that case the people working in the container want to be able to 
> implement and change their own policy, and the people working on the host 
> don't want to have to implement changes to their main policy config (wtih 
> all the auditing that would be involved with it) every time a container 
> wants to change it's internal policy.

*nod*

> I can definantly see where a container aware policy on the master would be 
> useful, but I can also see where the ability to nest seperate policies 
> would be useful.

This is all fine.  The question is whether this is a policy management
issue or a kernel infrastructure issue.  So far, it's not clear that this
really necessitates kernel infrastructure changes to support container
aware policies to be loaded by physical host admin/owner or the virtual
host admin.  The place where it breaks down is if each virtual host
wants not only to control its own policy, but also its security model.
Then we are left with stacking modules or heavier isolation (as in Xen).

thanks,
-chris

  reply	other threads:[~2006-03-30  2:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-24 17:19 Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-24 17:33 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-24 19:25   ` Dave Hansen
2006-03-24 19:53     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28  4:28     ` Bill Davidsen
2006-03-28  5:31       ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-28  6:45       ` [Devel] " Kir Kolyshkin
2006-03-28 21:59         ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-28 22:24           ` Kir Kolyshkin
2006-03-28 23:28             ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29  9:13               ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-29 11:08                 ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 13:45                 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-29 14:47                   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-29 17:29                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-29 21:37                     ` Sam Vilain
2006-04-12  8:28                       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-13  1:05                         ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-04-13  6:52                           ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-13 13:42                             ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-04-13 21:33                               ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-04-13 22:45                                 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-04-14  7:41                                   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-14  9:56                                   ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-04-15 19:29                                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-04-13 22:51                                 ` Kir Kolyshkin
2006-04-14 10:08                                   ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-04-15 19:31                                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-28  8:52       ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-28  9:00         ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-28 14:26           ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-28 14:44             ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-29  6:05               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-29  6:19                 ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 18:20                   ` Chris Wright
2006-03-29 22:36                     ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 22:52                       ` Chris Wright
2006-03-29 23:01                         ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 23:13                           ` Chris Wright
2006-03-29 23:18                             ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 23:28                               ` Chris Wright
2006-03-30  1:02                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30  1:36                           ` Chris Wright
2006-03-30  1:41                             ` David Lang
2006-03-30  2:04                               ` Chris Wright [this message]
2006-03-30 14:32                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30 15:30                                   ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-30 16:43                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30 18:00                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-31 13:40                                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30 16:07                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-03-30 16:15                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30 18:55                                     ` Chris Wright
2006-03-30 18:44                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30 19:07                                     ` Chris Wright
2006-03-31  5:36                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-31  5:51                                         ` Chris Wright
2006-03-31  6:52                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30 18:53                                   ` Chris Wright
2006-03-30  2:48                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30 19:23                               ` Chris Wright
2006-03-31  6:00                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-31 14:52                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-03-31 16:39                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30 13:29                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30 13:37                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30 14:55                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30  2:24                           ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-30  3:01                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30  3:26                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-30 10:30                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-04-11 10:32                   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-11 11:14                     ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-11 14:44                       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-28  9:00       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-28 14:41         ` Bill Davidsen
2006-03-28 15:03           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28 17:48             ` Jeff Dike
2006-03-28 23:07           ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 20:56             ` Bill Davidsen
2006-03-28 20:29     ` [Devel] " Jun OKAJIMA
2006-03-28 20:50       ` Kir Kolyshkin
2006-03-28 21:38         ` Jun OKAJIMA
2006-03-28 21:51           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28 23:18             ` Sam Vilain
2006-04-03 16:47         ` Bill Davidsen
2006-04-11 10:38           ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-11 16:20             ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-04-11 18:12               ` Kir Kolyshkin
2006-04-12  5:12             ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-12  6:55               ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-12  6:53                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-12  7:51                   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-12 17:03                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-12 17:20                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-04-13 16:54               ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-04-30 13:22             ` Bill Davidsen
2006-04-30 21:34               ` Sam Vilain
2006-05-01 12:27               ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-05-03 20:32                 ` Bill Davidsen
2006-03-28  9:02   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-28  9:15     ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-28 15:35       ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-28 15:53         ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-28 16:31         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-29 21:37         ` Bill Davidsen
2006-03-28 16:15       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28 23:04       ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29  1:39       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-29 13:47         ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-28 15:48     ` [Devel] " Matt Ayres
2006-03-28 16:42       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28 17:04         ` Matt Ayres
2006-03-29  0:55       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-24 18:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-24 21:19 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-27 18:45   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28  8:51     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-28 12:53       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-28 22:51       ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 20:30       ` Dave Hansen
2006-03-29 20:47         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-29 22:44         ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-30 13:51         ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-28 21:58   ` Eric W. Biederman

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