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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>
Cc: Sam Vilain <sam@vilain.net>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>,
	Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>,
	Linux Kernel ML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:48:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m164lwfy1c.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060330013618.GS15997@sorel.sous-sol.org> (Chris Wright's message of "Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:36:18 -0800")

Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org> writes:


>> At least one implementation Linux Jails by Serge E. Hallyn was done completely
>> with security modules, and the code was pretty minimal.
>
> Yes, although the networking area was something that looked better done
> via namespaces (at least that's my recollection of my conversations with
> Serge on that one a few years back).

For general networking yes the namespace flavor seems to be the sane
way to do it.

As I currently understand the problem everything goes along nicely
nothing really special needed until you start asking the question
how do I implement a root user with uid 0 who does not own the
machine.  When you start asking that question is when the creepy
crawlies come out.

On most virtual filesystems the default owner of files is uid 0.
Additional privilege checks are not applied.  Writing to those
files could potentially have global effect.

It is completely unclear how permissions checks should work
between two processes in different uid namespaces.  Especially
there are cases where you do want interactions.

If every guest/container/jail is configured so the uids with the same
value mean the same user there are no security issues even when they
interact because the isolation is not perfect.  So my gut feel it to
postpone a bunch of these problems and say making uids non-global
is a security module issue.

Eric


  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-03-30  2:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-24 17:19 Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-24 17:33 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-24 19:25   ` Dave Hansen
2006-03-24 19:53     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28  4:28     ` Bill Davidsen
2006-03-28  5:31       ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-28  6:45       ` [Devel] " Kir Kolyshkin
2006-03-28 21:59         ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-28 22:24           ` Kir Kolyshkin
2006-03-28 23:28             ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29  9:13               ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-29 11:08                 ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 13:45                 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-29 14:47                   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-29 17:29                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-29 21:37                     ` Sam Vilain
2006-04-12  8:28                       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-13  1:05                         ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-04-13  6:52                           ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-13 13:42                             ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-04-13 21:33                               ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-04-13 22:45                                 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-04-14  7:41                                   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-14  9:56                                   ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-04-15 19:29                                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-04-13 22:51                                 ` Kir Kolyshkin
2006-04-14 10:08                                   ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-04-15 19:31                                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-28  8:52       ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-28  9:00         ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-28 14:26           ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-28 14:44             ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-29  6:05               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-29  6:19                 ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 18:20                   ` Chris Wright
2006-03-29 22:36                     ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 22:52                       ` Chris Wright
2006-03-29 23:01                         ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 23:13                           ` Chris Wright
2006-03-29 23:18                             ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 23:28                               ` Chris Wright
2006-03-30  1:02                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30  1:36                           ` Chris Wright
2006-03-30  1:41                             ` David Lang
2006-03-30  2:04                               ` Chris Wright
2006-03-30 14:32                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30 15:30                                   ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-30 16:43                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30 18:00                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-31 13:40                                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30 16:07                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-03-30 16:15                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30 18:55                                     ` Chris Wright
2006-03-30 18:44                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30 19:07                                     ` Chris Wright
2006-03-31  5:36                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-31  5:51                                         ` Chris Wright
2006-03-31  6:52                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30 18:53                                   ` Chris Wright
2006-03-30  2:48                             ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2006-03-30 19:23                               ` Chris Wright
2006-03-31  6:00                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-31 14:52                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-03-31 16:39                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30 13:29                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30 13:37                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30 14:55                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30  2:24                           ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-30  3:01                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30  3:26                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-30 10:30                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-04-11 10:32                   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-11 11:14                     ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-11 14:44                       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-28  9:00       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-28 14:41         ` Bill Davidsen
2006-03-28 15:03           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28 17:48             ` Jeff Dike
2006-03-28 23:07           ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 20:56             ` Bill Davidsen
2006-03-28 20:29     ` [Devel] " Jun OKAJIMA
2006-03-28 20:50       ` Kir Kolyshkin
2006-03-28 21:38         ` Jun OKAJIMA
2006-03-28 21:51           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28 23:18             ` Sam Vilain
2006-04-03 16:47         ` Bill Davidsen
2006-04-11 10:38           ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-11 16:20             ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-04-11 18:12               ` Kir Kolyshkin
2006-04-12  5:12             ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-12  6:55               ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-12  6:53                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-12  7:51                   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-12 17:03                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-12 17:20                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-04-13 16:54               ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-04-30 13:22             ` Bill Davidsen
2006-04-30 21:34               ` Sam Vilain
2006-05-01 12:27               ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-05-03 20:32                 ` Bill Davidsen
2006-03-28  9:02   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-28  9:15     ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-28 15:35       ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-28 15:53         ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-28 16:31         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-29 21:37         ` Bill Davidsen
2006-03-28 16:15       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28 23:04       ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29  1:39       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-29 13:47         ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-28 15:48     ` [Devel] " Matt Ayres
2006-03-28 16:42       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28 17:04         ` Matt Ayres
2006-03-29  0:55       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-24 18:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-24 21:19 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-27 18:45   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28  8:51     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-28 12:53       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-28 22:51       ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 20:30       ` Dave Hansen
2006-03-29 20:47         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-29 22:44         ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-30 13:51         ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-28 21:58   ` Eric W. Biederman

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