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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: torvalds@osdl.org, jeff@garzik.org, axboe@suse.de, mingo@elte.hu,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Robert S Peterson <rpeterso@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] splice support #2
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:43:25 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060330184325.35e21117.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <442C7EF5.8090703@yahoo.com.au>

Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> Also,
>  might you be able to do a single file-sized file<->file splice,
>  and have it do a remote copy on a suitable network fs

splice() may not be suitable for such filesystems.  Quoting Robert Peterson
from earlier this week:


> The problem is that
> loop.c circumvents proper locking by going directly to prepare_write
> rather than following the normal process.  If I added some kind of
> library callbacks to allow cluster locking, it would break the
> normal locking sequence of an ordinary write.
>
> The normal sequence of an ordinary write typically looks like:
>
> 1. write
> 2.   (Take care of cluster locking if necessary)
> 3.   generic_file_write_nolock
> 4.      generic_file_aio_write_nolock
> 5.         generic_file_buffered_write
> 6.            a_ops->prepare_write
> etc.
>
> Right now, loop.c is circumventing step 2 (optional cluster locking
> if needed by the underlying fs) by bypassing the "write" op.  If I 
> added callbacks to prepare_write at (7) as you suggest, it would either
> (a) introduce deadlocks conflicting with step 2 above or
> (b) require the underlying fs to use its own versions of 3,4,5, and 6,
> thus bypassing a great deal of vfs, which is not good for anyone.
>
> Some could argue that loop.c should always use write rather than
> prepare_write/commit_write, but most fs's don't have special
> locking needs and therefore using them is a performance boost.
>

  reply	other threads:[~2006-03-31  2:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-30 10:06 Jens Axboe
2006-03-30 10:16 ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-30 10:24   ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-30 11:16     ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-30 11:55       ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-30 12:30         ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-30 12:30           ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-30 19:19           ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-30 12:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-30 12:05   ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-30 12:10     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-30 12:16       ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-30 12:38         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-30 12:42           ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-30 12:42             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-30 13:02               ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-30 14:20           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-03-30 17:02     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-30 17:17       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-31 20:38         ` Hua Zhong
2006-03-31 20:49           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-30 20:48       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-03-30 21:16         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-31  0:59           ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-31  2:43             ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2006-03-31  2:51               ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-31  3:20                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-31  6:35                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-03-31  7:09           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-04-02 22:33             ` Pavel Machek
2006-03-31 12:46           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-03-31  9:56       ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-31 12:18       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-31 12:23         ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-31 12:26           ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-31 12:47             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-31 18:18               ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-31 12:27       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-31  0:03 linux
2006-03-31  6:06 tridge
2006-03-31  6:59 ` Antonio Vargas
2006-03-31  7:37   ` tridge
2006-03-31  9:57 ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-31 19:11   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-31 19:40     ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-04 17:16       ` Andy Lutomirski
2006-04-04 17:34         ` Jens Axboe
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2006-04-03 12:39               ` Bodo Eggert

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