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From: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@osdl.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] splice support #2
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:23:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060331122339.GS14022@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060331121817.GA11810@elte.hu>

On Fri, Mar 31 2006, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> * Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org> wrote:
> 
> >  - The pipe is the buffer #2: it's what allows you to do _other_ things 
> >    with splice that are simply impossible to do with sendfile. Notably, 
> >    splice allows very naturally the "readv/writev" scatter-gather 
> >    behaviour of _mixing_ streams. If you're a web-server, with splice you 
> >    can do
> > 
> > 	write(pipefd, header, header_len);
> > 	splice(file, pipefd, file_len);
> > 	splice(pipefd, socket, total_len);
> > 
> >    (this is all conceptual pseudo-code, of course), and this very 
> >    naturally has none of the issues that sendfile() has with plugging etc. 
> >    There's never any "send header separately and do extra work to make 
> >    sure it is in the same packet as the start of the data".
> 
> with pipe-based buffering this approach has still the very same problems 
> that sendfile() has with packet boundaries, because it's not enough to 
> have "large enough" buffering (like a pipe has), the pipe also has to be 
> drained, and the networking layer has to know the precise boundary of 
> data.
> 
> the right solution to the packet boundary problem is to pass in a proper 
> "does userspace expect more data right now" flag, or to let userspace 
> 'flush' the socket independently - which is independent of the 
> pipe-in-slice issue. This solution already exists: the MSG_MORE flag.

We can add a SPLICE_F_MORE flag for this, right now splice doesn't set
the MSG_MORE flag for the end of the pipe.

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2006-03-31 12:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-30 10:06 Jens Axboe
2006-03-30 10:16 ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-30 10:24   ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-30 11:16     ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-30 11:55       ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-30 12:30         ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-30 12:30           ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-30 19:19           ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-30 12:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-30 12:05   ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-30 12:10     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-30 12:16       ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-30 12:38         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-30 12:42           ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-30 12:42             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-30 13:02               ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-30 14:20           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-03-30 17:02     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-30 17:17       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-31 20:38         ` Hua Zhong
2006-03-31 20:49           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-30 20:48       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-03-30 21:16         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-31  0:59           ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-31  2:43             ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-31  2:51               ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-31  3:20                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-31  6:35                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-03-31  7:09           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-04-02 22:33             ` Pavel Machek
2006-03-31 12:46           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-03-31  9:56       ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-31 12:18       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-31 12:23         ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2006-03-31 12:26           ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-31 12:47             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-31 18:18               ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-31 12:27       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-31  0:03 linux
2006-03-31  6:06 tridge
2006-03-31  6:59 ` Antonio Vargas
2006-03-31  7:37   ` tridge
2006-03-31  9:57 ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-31 19:11   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-31 19:40     ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-04 17:16       ` Andy Lutomirski
2006-04-04 17:34         ` Jens Axboe
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2006-04-03 12:39               ` Bodo Eggert

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