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From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>
To: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>
Cc: Tony Jones <tonyj@suse.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, chrisw@sous-sol.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 11/11] security: AppArmor - Export namespace semaphore
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:46:47 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060420124647.GD18604@sergelap.austin.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1145536742.16456.35.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil>

Quoting Stephen Smalley (sds@tycho.nsa.gov):
> On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 10:50 -0700, Tony Jones wrote:
> > This patch exports the namespace_sem semaphore.
> > 
> > The shared subtree patches which went into 2.6.15-rc1 replaced the old
> > namespace semaphore which used to be per namespace (and visible) with a
> > new single static semaphore.
> > 
> > The reason for this change is that currently visibility of vfsmount information
> > to the LSM hooks is fairly patchy.  Either there is no passed parameter or
> > it can be NULL.  For the case of the former,  several LSM hooks that we
> > require to mediate have no vfsmount/nameidata passed.  We previously (mis)used
> > the visibility of the old per namespace semaphore to walk the processes 
> > namespace looking for vfsmounts with a root dentry matching the dentry we were 
> > trying to mediate.  
> > 
> > Clearly this is not viable long term strategy and changes working towards 
> > passing a vfsmount to all relevant LSM hooks would seem necessary (and also 
> > useful for other users of LSM). Alternative suggestions and ideas are welcomed.
> 
> The alternative I would recommend is to not use LSM.  It isn't suitable
> for your path-based approach.  If your path-based approach is deemed
> legitimate, then introduce new hooks at the proper point in processing
> where the information you need is available.

Whoa, so now LSM is not for access control?

Of course if SuSE follows Al Viro's suggestion of using namespaces
(effectively using capabilities in their traditional sense), they'll use
fewer hooks, but they'll still need to prevent leaking of fd's accross
namespaces, for instance.

-serge

  reply	other threads:[~2006-04-20 12:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 173+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-19 17:49 [RFC][PATCH 0/11] security: AppArmor - Overview Tony Jones
2006-04-19 17:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/11] security: AppArmor - Integrate into kbuild Tony Jones
2006-04-19 17:57   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 18:10     ` Tony Jones
2006-04-19 18:35   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-19 19:55   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-04-19 20:52     ` Tony Jones
2006-04-19 17:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/11] security: AppArmor - Core headers Tony Jones
2006-04-19 18:01   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-20 17:43     ` Tony Jones
2006-04-19 17:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/11] security: AppArmor - LSM interface Tony Jones
2006-04-19 18:05   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 17:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/11] security: AppArmor - Core access controls Tony Jones
2006-04-19 18:10   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 18:57     ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-19 23:05       ` Rik van Riel
2006-04-19 23:18         ` Seth Arnold
2006-04-19 23:21           ` Rik van Riel
2006-04-19 23:50             ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-20 12:33       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 16:27         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-20 17:39     ` Tony Jones
2006-04-19 19:32   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-19 19:50   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20  9:40   ` Al Viro
2006-04-20 11:40     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-20 21:39       ` Tony Jones
2006-04-19 17:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/11] security: AppArmor - Filesystem Tony Jones
2006-04-21 21:13   ` Amy Griffis
2006-04-19 17:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/11] security: AppArmor - Userspace interface Tony Jones
2006-04-20 21:39   ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-21 18:01     ` Tony Jones
2006-04-21 18:41       ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-19 17:50 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/11] security: AppArmor - Misc (capabilities, data structures) Tony Jones
2006-04-19 18:16   ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-04-19 17:50 ` [RFC][PATCH 8/11] security: AppArmor - Pathname matching submodule Tony Jones
2006-04-19 17:50 ` [RFC][PATCH 9/11] security: AppArmor - Audit changes Tony Jones
2006-04-21 21:21   ` Amy Griffis
2006-04-22  0:13     ` Steve Grubb
2006-04-22  0:19       ` Tony Jones
2006-04-19 17:50 ` [RFC][PATCH 10/11] security: AppArmor - Add flags to d_path Tony Jones
2006-04-19 22:12   ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-20  5:36     ` Tony Jones
2006-04-20  8:26       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-20 16:43         ` Tony Jones
2006-04-20 17:04           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-20 17:50             ` Tony Jones
2006-04-21 12:16               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-24 13:05       ` Alan Cox
2006-04-19 17:50 ` [RFC][PATCH 11/11] security: AppArmor - Export namespace semaphore Tony Jones
2006-04-19 22:10   ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-20 12:39   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 12:46     ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
2006-04-20 12:05       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 13:21         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-20 12:48           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 12:58             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 22:11             ` Linda A. Walsh
2006-04-20 23:05               ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-21  1:29                 ` Linda A. Walsh
2006-04-21  2:09                   ` Chris Wright
2006-04-21  5:10                     ` Linda Walsh
2006-04-23 12:11                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-21 14:02               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 19:45           ` Tony Jones
2006-04-20 20:16             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-20 20:22             ` James Morris
2006-04-20 21:50     ` Linda Walsh
2006-04-20 21:56       ` Al Viro
2006-04-20 23:54         ` James Morris
2006-04-21 13:59       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-19 18:14 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/11] security: AppArmor - Overview Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 22:32   ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-19 23:00     ` grundig
2006-04-19 23:38       ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-20  1:32         ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-20 13:00           ` grundig
2006-04-20 13:09             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-20 13:15               ` Al Viro
2006-04-21  0:11               ` Tony Jones
2006-04-24 13:01             ` Alan Cox
2006-04-20  8:42     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-20 19:26       ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-20 19:27       ` Chris Wright
2006-04-21 12:18         ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-21 17:30           ` Chris Wright
2006-04-21 18:07             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-21 20:06               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-21 20:35                 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-21 20:44                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-21 21:38                   ` Dave Neuer
2006-04-22 10:01                     ` Thomas Bleher
2006-04-24  4:18               ` Neil Brown
2006-04-24  7:03                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-04-24 13:04                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-24 13:43                     ` Joshua Brindle
2006-04-24 21:07                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-24 23:52                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-04-25  6:22                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-25 16:45                       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25 16:52                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-25 17:43                           ` Seth Arnold
2006-04-25 18:34                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-25 18:48                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25 18:56                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-25  4:25                     ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-25  7:50                       ` James Morris
2006-04-25 12:46                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-04-25 15:06                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25 16:00                         ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-25 16:21                           ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-04-26  3:42                             ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-26 12:15                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-27  0:21                                 ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-27 14:47                                   ` Karl MacMillan
2006-04-25 17:29                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-26  3:56                             ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-26 11:32                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25 16:47                       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-24  7:14                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-24  8:11                   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-25 19:27                   ` Seth Arnold
2006-04-24 13:11                 ` Joshua Brindle
2006-04-24 13:26                   ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-24 13:39                     ` Joshua Brindle
2006-04-24 15:16                       ` Joshua Brindle
2006-04-24 15:50                         ` Tony Jones
2006-04-24 17:03                           ` Joshua Brindle
2006-04-25 17:12                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-25 17:34                           ` Tony Jones
2006-04-24 13:52                     ` Alan Cox
2006-04-24 14:09                       ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-24 20:45                 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25  8:10                   ` Neil Brown
2006-04-25  8:28                     ` Al Viro
2006-04-25 12:42                     ` James Carter
2006-04-25 12:43                       ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-25 14:50                         ` James Carter
2006-04-25 15:01                         ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25 18:11                           ` Tony Jones
2006-04-25 21:25                             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25 17:07                     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-26 22:15                       ` Some Concrete AppArmor Questions - was " Neil Brown
2006-04-26 23:06                         ` Ken Brush
2006-04-27  4:15                           ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-27  6:52                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-27  7:40                               ` Chris Wright
2006-04-27 10:17                             ` Chris Wright
2006-04-27 14:42                               ` Karl MacMillan
2006-04-27 23:44                                 ` Chris Wright
2006-04-28 13:02                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-28 15:49                                     ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-28 16:04                                       ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-04-28 21:49                                         ` James Morris
2006-04-28 16:56                                       ` Karl MacMillan
2006-04-27 16:03                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-27 22:38                                 ` Chris Wright
2006-04-28 13:00                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-27 17:43                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-27 17:58                             ` Ken Brush
2006-04-28 11:28                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-28 11:47                                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-28 12:28                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-27 11:02                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-27 11:05                           ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-20 11:29     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-20 13:24     ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-20 22:32     ` Linda A. Walsh
2006-04-20 12:17 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 15:38   ` Joshua Brindle
2006-04-20 19:57   ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-21 13:34     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-22 12:27 ` Pavel Machek

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