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From: Nathan Scott <nathans@sgi.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Steven Whitehouse <swhiteho@redhat.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	David Teigland <teigland@redhat.com>,
	Patrick Caulfield <pcaulfie@redhat.com>,
	Kevin Anderson <kanderso@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: GFS2 and DLM
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:16:32 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060627181632.A1297906@wobbly.melbourne.sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060627063339.GA27938@elte.hu>; from mingo@elte.hu on Tue, Jun 27, 2006 at 08:33:39AM +0200

On Tue, Jun 27, 2006 at 08:33:39AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
> > * Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > The code uses GFP_NOFAIL for slab allocator calls.  It's been 
> > > pointed out here numerous times that this can't work.  Andrew, what 
> > > about adding a check to slab.c to bail out if someone passes it?
> > 
> > reiserfs, jbd and NTFS are all using GFP_NOFAIL ...
> > 
> > i dont think this is a huge issue that should block merging.
> 
> oh, and XFS has this little gem in its journalling code:
> 

[snip misinterpreted code/flag]

>           */
>          buf = (xfs_caddr_t) kmem_zalloc(NBPP, KM_SLEEP);
>  [...]
> 
> where kmem_zalloc() may fail!!!

Not with the flags it was given.

> So XFS is apprarently hiding the "journalling allocations must not fail" 
> problem by ... crashing? Wow! Most of the other journalling filesystems 
> loop on the allocator: the honest ones do it via GFP_NOFAIL, others via 
> open-coded infinite retry loops.

No, please look more closely before making such claims.

> sophisticated filesystem, which has many dynamic (and delayed) decisions 
> that make the prediction of resource overhead difficult. That's the 
> fundamental reason why basically all journalling filesystems either loop 
> (or the really enterprise quality ones: crash ;) on allocation failure.

> other problems with the XFS code that are similar in nature to the ones 
> you pointed out. (mostly useless wrappers around Linux functionality) 

You've missed subtleties in those "useless wrappers", which are
preventing the problem you claim is there.

cheers.

-- 
Nathan

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-06-27  8:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-20 12:17 Steven Whitehouse
2006-06-20 12:32 ` Nick Piggin
2006-06-20 12:47   ` Steven Whitehouse
2006-06-20 14:04     ` Nick Piggin
2006-06-20 15:40       ` Steven Whitehouse
2006-06-20 19:55         ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-21 11:20       ` Steven Whitehouse
2006-06-23 14:45       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-26 21:03         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-27  7:52           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-20 12:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-20 12:55   ` Steven Whitehouse
2006-06-20 15:55   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-23 14:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-23 20:46   ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-26 20:03   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-26 20:12     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-27  7:08       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-27  6:33     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-27  6:43       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-27  7:07         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-27  7:06       ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-27  8:35         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-27  8:50           ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-27  9:04             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-27  9:23               ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-03 13:40           ` Steven Whitehouse
2006-06-27  8:16       ` Nathan Scott [this message]
2006-06-27  8:22         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-27  8:41           ` Pekka Enberg
2006-06-27 10:33             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-27  8:42           ` Nathan Scott
2006-06-27  8:51             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-23 14:54 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-23 15:54   ` Steven Whitehouse
2006-06-23 15:54     ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-23 16:09       ` Steven Whitehouse
2006-06-23 14:55 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-23 14:57 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-23 15:26   ` Steven Whitehouse
2006-06-23 15:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-23 16:29   ` Steven Whitehouse
2006-06-23 16:48     ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-26 20:58       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-27  7:50         ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-27  8:31           ` Ingo Molnar

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