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From: Andrey Savochkin <saw@swsoft.com>
To: Sam Vilain <sam@vilain.net>, "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>,
	Cedric Le Goater <clg@fr.ibm.com>
Cc: hadi@cyberus.ca, Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>,
	Alexey Kuznetsov <alexey@sw.ru>,
	viro@ftp.linux.org.uk, devel@openvz.org, dev@sw.ru,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Daniel Lezcano <dlezcano@fr.ibm.com>,
	Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>,
	Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>,
	Alexey Kuznetsov <kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: strict isolation of net interfaces
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 18:53:50 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060703185350.A16826@castle.nmd.msu.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <44A49121.4050004@vilain.net>; from "Sam Vilain" on Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 02:49:05PM

Sam, Serge, Cedric,

On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 02:49:05PM +1200, Sam Vilain wrote:
> Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > The last one in your diagram confuses me - why foo0:1?  I would
> > have thought it'd be
> >
> > host                  |  guest 0  |  guest 1  |  guest2
> > ----------------------+-----------+-----------+--------------
> >   |                   |           |           |
> >   |-> l0      <-------+-> lo0 ... | lo0       | lo0
> >   |                   |           |           |
> >   |-> eth0            |           |           |
> >   |                   |           |           |
> >   |-> veth0  <--------+-> eth0    |           |
> >   |                   |           |           |
> >   |-> veth1  <--------+-----------+-----------+-> eth0
> >   |                   |           |           |
> >   |-> veth2   <-------+-----------+-> eth0    |
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > So conceptually using a full virtual net device per container
> > certainly seems cleaner to me, and it seems like it should be
> > simpler by way of statistics gathering etc, but are there actually
> > any real gains?  Or is the support for multiple IPs per device
> > actually enough?
> >   
> 
> Why special case loopback?
> 
> Why not:
> 
> host                  |  guest 0  |  guest 1  |  guest2
> ----------------------+-----------+-----------+--------------
>   |                   |           |           |
>   |-> lo              |           |           |
>   |                   |           |           |
>   |-> vlo0  <---------+-> lo      |           |
>   |                   |           |           |
>   |-> vlo1  <---------+-----------+-----------+-> lo
>   |                   |           |           |
>   |-> vlo2   <--------+-----------+-> lo      |
>   |                   |           |           |
>   |-> eth0            |           |           |
>   |                   |           |           |
>   |-> veth0  <--------+-> eth0    |           |
>   |                   |           |           |
>   |-> veth1  <--------+-----------+-----------+-> eth0
>   |                   |           |           |
>   |-> veth2   <-------+-----------+-> eth0    |

I still can't completely understand your direction of thoughts.
Could you elaborate on IP address assignment in your diagram, please?  For
example, guest0 wants 127.0.0.1 and 192.168.0.1 addresses on its lo
interface, and 10.1.1.1 on its eth0 interface.
Does this diagram assume any local IP addresses on v* interfaces in the
"host"?

And the second question.
Are vlo0, veth0, etc. devices supposed to have hard_xmit routines?

Best regards

Andrey

  reply	other threads:[~2006-07-03 14:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-09 21:02 [RFC] [patch 0/6] [Network namespace] introduction dlezcano
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 1/6] [Network namespace] Network namespace structure dlezcano
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view dlezcano
2006-06-11 10:18   ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-18 18:53   ` Al Viro
2006-06-26  9:47   ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-26 13:02     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 14:05       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 14:08       ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-26 18:28         ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 18:59           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 14:56     ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-26 15:21       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 15:27       ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-26 15:49         ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-26 16:40           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 18:36             ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 19:35               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 20:02                 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 20:37                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 21:26                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 21:59                       ` Ben Greear
2006-06-26 22:11                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-27  9:09                   ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-27 15:48                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-27 16:19                       ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-27 16:40                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 22:13                 ` Ben Greear
2006-06-26 22:54                   ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 23:08                     ` Ben Greear
2006-06-27 16:07                       ` Ben Greear
2006-06-27 22:48                         ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-27  9:11           ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-27  9:34             ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-27  9:38               ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-27 11:21                 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-27 11:52                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-27 16:02                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-27 16:47                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-27 17:19                         ` Ben Greear
2006-06-27 22:52                           ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-27 23:12                             ` Dave Hansen
2006-06-27 23:42                               ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-06-28  3:38                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 13:36                                   ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 13:53                                     ` jamal
2006-06-28 14:19                                       ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-28 16:17                                         ` jamal
2006-06-28 16:58                                           ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-28 17:17                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 17:04                                         ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 14:39                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30  1:41                                         ` Sam Vilain
2006-06-29 21:07                                       ` Sam Vilain
2006-06-29 22:14                                         ` strict isolation of net interfaces Cedric Le Goater
2006-06-30  2:39                                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-06-30  2:49                                             ` Sam Vilain
2006-07-03 14:53                                               ` Andrey Savochkin [this message]
2006-07-04  3:00                                                 ` Sam Vilain
2006-07-04 12:29                                                 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-07-04 13:13                                                   ` Sam Vilain
2006-07-04 13:19                                                     ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-30  8:56                                             ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-03 13:36                                               ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-30 12:23                                             ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-30 14:20                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30 15:22                                                 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-30 17:58                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30 16:14                                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-06-30 17:41                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30 18:09                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30  0:15                                         ` [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view jamal
2006-06-30  3:35                                           ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-30  7:45                                           ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-30 13:50                                             ` jamal
2006-06-30 15:01                                               ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-30 18:22                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30 21:51                                                 ` jamal
2006-07-01  0:50                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 14:21                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 14:51                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-27 16:49                       ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-06-27 11:55                   ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-27  9:54               ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-06-27 16:09                 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-27 16:29                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-27 23:07                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28  4:07                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28  6:31                         ` Sam Vilain
2006-06-28 14:15                           ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 15:36                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 17:18                               ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 10:14                         ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-06-28 14:11                         ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 16:10                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-06  9:45               ` Routing tables (Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view) Kari Hurtta
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 3/6] [Network namespace] Network devices isolation dlezcano
2006-06-18 18:57   ` Al Viro
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 4/6] [Network namespace] Network inet " dlezcano
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 5/6] [Network namespace] ipv4 isolation dlezcano
2006-06-10  0:23   ` James Morris
2006-06-10  0:27     ` Rick Jones
2006-06-10  0:47       ` James Morris
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 6/6] [Network namespace] Network namespace debugfs dlezcano
2006-06-10  7:16 ` [RFC] [patch 0/6] [Network namespace] introduction Kari Hurtta
2006-06-16  4:23 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-16  9:06   ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-16  9:22     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-18 18:47 ` Al Viro
2006-06-20 21:21   ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-20 21:25     ` Al Viro
2006-06-20 22:45       ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-26 23:38 ` Patrick McHardy

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