From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>
Cc: Daniel Lezcano <dlezcano@fr.ibm.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
serue@us.ibm.com, haveblue@us.ibm.com, clg@fr.ibm.com,
Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
dev@sw.ru, devel@openvz.org, sam@vilain.net,
viro@ftp.linux.org.uk, Alexey Kuznetsov <alexey@sw.ru>,
Andrey Savochkin <saw@swsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 10:40:18 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1u066lfgt.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060627154818.GA28984@MAIL.13thfloor.at> (Herbert Poetzl's message of "Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:48:19 +0200")
Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at> writes:
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2006 at 01:09:11PM +0400, Andrey Savochkin wrote:
>>
>> I'd like to caution about over-optimizing communications between
>> different network namespaces. Many optimizations of local traffic
>> (such as high MTU) don't look so appealing when you start to think
>> about live migration of namespaces.
>
> I think the 'optimization' (or to be precise: desire
> not to sacrifice local/loopback traffic for some use
> case as you describe it) does not interfere with live
> migration at all, we still will have 'local' and 'remote'
> traffic, and personally I doubt that the live migration
> is a feature for the masses ...
Several things.
- The linux loopback device is not strongly optimized, it is a compatibility
layer.
- Traffic between guests is an implementation detail.
There is nothing fundamental in our semantics that says the traffic
has to be slow for any workload (except for the limuts imposed by using
actual on the wire protocols). The lo shares the same problem.
Worry about this case now when it has clearly been shown that there are several
possible ways to optimize this and get back any lost local performance is
optimizing way too early.
Criticize the per namespace performance and all you want. That is pretty
much a merge blocker. Unless we do worse than a 1-5% penalty the communication
across namespaces is really a non-issue.
Even with your large communications flows between guests 1-5% is nothing.
Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-06-27 16:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-06-09 21:02 [RFC] [patch 0/6] [Network namespace] introduction dlezcano
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 1/6] [Network namespace] Network namespace structure dlezcano
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view dlezcano
2006-06-11 10:18 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-18 18:53 ` Al Viro
2006-06-26 9:47 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-26 13:02 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 14:05 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 14:08 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-26 18:28 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 18:59 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 14:56 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-26 15:21 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 15:27 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-26 15:49 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-26 16:40 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 18:36 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 19:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 20:02 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 20:37 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 21:26 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 21:59 ` Ben Greear
2006-06-26 22:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-27 9:09 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-27 15:48 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-27 16:19 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-27 16:40 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2006-06-26 22:13 ` Ben Greear
2006-06-26 22:54 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 23:08 ` Ben Greear
2006-06-27 16:07 ` Ben Greear
2006-06-27 22:48 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-27 9:11 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-27 9:34 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-27 9:38 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-27 11:21 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-27 11:52 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-27 16:02 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-27 16:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-27 17:19 ` Ben Greear
2006-06-27 22:52 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-27 23:12 ` Dave Hansen
2006-06-27 23:42 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-06-28 3:38 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 13:36 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 13:53 ` jamal
2006-06-28 14:19 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-28 16:17 ` jamal
2006-06-28 16:58 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-28 17:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 17:04 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 14:39 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30 1:41 ` Sam Vilain
2006-06-29 21:07 ` Sam Vilain
2006-06-29 22:14 ` strict isolation of net interfaces Cedric Le Goater
2006-06-30 2:39 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-06-30 2:49 ` Sam Vilain
2006-07-03 14:53 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-07-04 3:00 ` Sam Vilain
2006-07-04 12:29 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-07-04 13:13 ` Sam Vilain
2006-07-04 13:19 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-30 8:56 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-03 13:36 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-30 12:23 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-30 14:20 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30 15:22 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-30 17:58 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30 16:14 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-06-30 17:41 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30 18:09 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30 0:15 ` [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view jamal
2006-06-30 3:35 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-30 7:45 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-30 13:50 ` jamal
2006-06-30 15:01 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-30 18:22 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30 21:51 ` jamal
2006-07-01 0:50 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 14:21 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 14:51 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-27 16:49 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-06-27 11:55 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-27 9:54 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-06-27 16:09 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-27 16:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-27 23:07 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 4:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 6:31 ` Sam Vilain
2006-06-28 14:15 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 15:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 17:18 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 10:14 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-06-28 14:11 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 16:10 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-06 9:45 ` Routing tables (Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view) Kari Hurtta
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 3/6] [Network namespace] Network devices isolation dlezcano
2006-06-18 18:57 ` Al Viro
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 4/6] [Network namespace] Network inet " dlezcano
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 5/6] [Network namespace] ipv4 isolation dlezcano
2006-06-10 0:23 ` James Morris
2006-06-10 0:27 ` Rick Jones
2006-06-10 0:47 ` James Morris
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 6/6] [Network namespace] Network namespace debugfs dlezcano
2006-06-10 7:16 ` [RFC] [patch 0/6] [Network namespace] introduction Kari Hurtta
2006-06-16 4:23 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-16 9:06 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-16 9:22 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-18 18:47 ` Al Viro
2006-06-20 21:21 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-20 21:25 ` Al Viro
2006-06-20 22:45 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-26 23:38 ` Patrick McHardy
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