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From: Olivier Galibert <galibert@pobox.com>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: Bojan Smojver <bojan@rexursive.com>,
	Jan Rychter <jan@rychter.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Avuton Olrich <avuton@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, suspend2-devel@lists.suspend2.net,
	grundig <grundig@teleline.es>,
	Nigel Cunningham <ncunningham@linuxmail.org>
Subject: Re: [Suspend2-devel] Re: uswsusp history lesson
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 18:43:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060708164312.GA36499@dspnet.fr.eu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1152355318.3120.26.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org>

On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 12:41:58PM +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> Very often, choice is good. but for something this fundamental, it is
> not. We also don't have 2 scsi layers for example.

We have 2 ide layers, 2 usb-storage drivers, 2 sound systems and we
have had 2 pcmcia subsystems and 2 usb subsystems.  At one point, it's
the only way to find out what will work out.  Suspend2 and uswsusp
have very different fundamental designs, and it's quite unclear at
that point which one is the right one.


> Including well a defined and portable set of requirements on the kernel
> and drivers, and done such that driver people who don't know the fine
> details, can still get their drivers right.

The polarisation that is going on has resulted in nobody caring about
that, sadly enough.  And in any case it's absolutely demented that
non-disk drivers could have so much of an influence on the stability
of suspend-to-disk.

  OG.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-07-08 16:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-26 15:47 Suspend2 - Request for review & inclusion in -mm Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-27 13:33 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-27 15:22   ` [Suspend2-devel] " Brad Campbell
2006-06-27 15:41     ` Andreas Mohr
2006-06-27 16:01       ` Avuton Olrich
2006-06-27 22:23         ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-27 22:22       ` swsusp / suspend2 reliability (was Re: [Suspend2-devel] Re: Suspend2 - Request for review & inclusion in -mm) Pavel Machek
2006-06-27 22:38         ` Sebastian Kügler
2006-06-27 22:51           ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-27 23:18             ` Sebastian Kügler
2006-06-28 19:53               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-28 22:19                 ` Sebastian Kügler
2006-06-28 22:24                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-28 22:37                     ` Sebastian Kügler
2006-06-28 22:46                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-28 23:06                         ` Sebastian Kügler
2006-06-28 22:52                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-06-28 23:09                     ` Sebastian Kügler
2006-06-28  8:56         ` Andreas Jellinghaus
2006-06-28 19:58           ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-06 19:15         ` swsusp / suspend2 reliability Jan Rychter
2006-07-07 13:50           ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-07 14:05             ` [Suspend2-devel] " Rohan Dhruva
2006-07-07 18:21               ` David Fox
2006-07-07 21:42                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-07 15:03             ` dirk husemann
2006-07-07 23:19               ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-07 18:03             ` Olivier Galibert
2006-07-07 23:18               ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-07 15:19           ` Avuton Olrich
2006-07-07 16:09             ` grundig
2006-07-07 17:44               ` Olivier Galibert
2006-07-07 21:39                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-07 21:56                   ` Olivier Galibert
2006-07-07 23:25                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-07 23:33                       ` [Suspend2-devel] " Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-08  0:04                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-08  0:28                         ` uswsusp history lesson [was Re: [Suspend2-devel] Re: swsusp / suspend2 reliability] Pavel Machek
2006-07-08  3:42                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-08 10:38                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-08 11:13                               ` Bojan Smojver
2006-07-08 18:34                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-08 22:35                                   ` Bojan Smojver
2006-07-08 11:31                               ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-08 11:42                                 ` Bojan Smojver
2006-07-08 12:52                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-08 13:26                                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-08 21:04                                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-08 22:25                                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-08 18:52                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-08 21:10                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-08 22:28                                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-08 23:54                                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-09  0:02                                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-09  0:09                                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-09 10:03                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-11 12:45                                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-11 21:54                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-11 22:01                                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-11 22:34                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-11 23:00                                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-12 10:09                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-12 10:16                                               ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-08 11:22                             ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-08  4:33                           ` Avuton Olrich
2006-07-08 11:12                             ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-08 11:21                               ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-08  4:58                           ` Bojan Smojver
2006-07-08  9:11                           ` uswsusp history lesson Jan Rychter
2006-07-08 10:14                             ` [Suspend2-devel] " Bojan Smojver
2006-07-08 10:41                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-08 11:11                                 ` Bojan Smojver
2006-07-08 11:13                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-08 11:16                                     ` Bojan Smojver
2006-07-08 11:20                                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-08 13:19                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-08 22:32                                     ` Bojan Smojver
2006-07-08 16:43                                 ` Olivier Galibert [this message]
2006-07-08 16:47                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-08 17:01                                     ` Alon Bar-Lev
2006-07-08 19:36                                       ` grundig
2006-07-08 17:49                                     ` Olivier Galibert
2006-07-08 18:03                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-08 21:46                                       ` Alan Cox
2006-07-09  0:19                                         ` Olivier Galibert
2006-07-08 17:39                                   ` Alan Cox
2006-07-08 23:57                                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-09  0:03                                       ` Nigel Cunningham
     [not found]                                 ` <ce9ef0d90607080942w685a6b60q7611278856c78ac0@mail.gmail.com>
2006-07-08 16:50                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-08 19:25                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-08 19:39                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-08 20:22                                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-10  9:11                                         ` dirk husemann
2006-07-10  9:18                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-10 10:02                                             ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-10 21:49                                               ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-10 23:22                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-10 23:37                                                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-10 12:45                                             ` Thomas Tuttle
2006-07-10 13:05                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
     [not found]                                       ` <ce9ef0d90607081248n1f2fc79fw199b493f3ca6313@mail.gmail.com>
2006-07-08 19:58                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-08 20:13                                           ` Alon Bar-Lev
2006-07-08 20:23                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-08 22:20                                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-08 23:46                                       ` Bojan Smojver
2006-07-08 23:53                                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-09  0:18                                           ` Bojan Smojver
2006-07-09  0:32                                             ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-09  1:05                                               ` Bojan Smojver
2006-07-09 13:51                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-09 21:06                                                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-09 21:36                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-09 21:46                                                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-09 22:30                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-10  3:57                                                     ` Jason Lunz
2006-07-10  6:20                                                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-11 14:47                                                         ` Jason Lunz
2006-07-11 20:13                                                           ` Bojan Smojver
2006-07-10  0:28                                                   ` Bojan Smojver
2006-07-09 12:15                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2006-07-09 21:04                                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-10  9:10                                       ` dirk husemann
2006-07-08  0:28                       ` [Suspend2-devel] Re: swsusp / suspend2 reliability Bojan Smojver
2006-07-07 19:27           ` Hua Zhong
2006-07-07 21:10             ` Alon Bar-Lev
2006-07-07 23:48               ` Christian Trefzer
2006-06-27 16:50     ` [Suspend2-devel] Re: Suspend2 - Request for review & inclusion in -mm dirk husemann
2006-06-27 19:03     ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-27 19:19       ` Dave Jones
2006-06-27 21:47         ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-28  6:00       ` Brad Campbell
2006-06-28 20:03         ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-28  6:09       ` Markus Gaugusch
     [not found]     ` <200606271940.23934.jaroslav@aster.pl>
     [not found]       ` <1e1a7e1b0606280228y6c4a0d19p12f8112d216d1aba@mail.gmail.com>
2006-06-28 11:31         ` [Suspend2-devel] " Tim Dijkstra
2006-06-27 23:37   ` Nigel Cunningham

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