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From: Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>
To: Antonio Vargas <windenntw@gmail.com>
Cc: Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@xensource.com>,
	greg@kroah.com, zach@vmware.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	torvalds@osdl.org, hch@infradead.org, rusty@rustcorp.com.au,
	jlo@vmware.com, xen-devel@lists.xensource.com,
	simon@xensource.com, ian.pratt@xensource.com, jeremy@goop.org
Subject: Re: A proposal - binary
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 00:01:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060804070142.GW2654@sequoia.sous-sol.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <69304d110608032328r36bc0a6ase0a2dbf36d8cc519@mail.gmail.com>

* Antonio Vargas (windenntw@gmail.com) wrote:
> One feature I found missing at the paravirt patches is to allow the
> user to forbid the use of paravirtualization of certain features (via
> a bitmask on the kernel commandline for example) so that the execution
> drops into the native hardware virtualization system. Such a feature

There is no native harware virtualization system in this picture.  Maybe
I'm just misunderstanding you.

> would provide a big upwards compatibility for the kernel<->hypervisor
> system. The case for this would be needing to forcefully upgrade the
> hypervisor due to security issues and finding out that the hypervisor
> is  incompatible at the paravirtualizatrion level, then the user would
> be at least capable of continuing to run the old kernel with the new
> hypervisor until the compatibility is reached again.

This seems a bit like a trumped up example, as randomly disabling a part
of the pv interface is likely to cause correctness issues, not just
performance degradation.

Hypervisor compatibility is a slightly separate issue here.  There's two
interfaces.  The linux paravirt interface is internal to the kernel.
The hypervisor interface is external to the kernel.

kernel <--pv interface--> paravirt glue layer <--hv interface--> hypervisor

So changes to the hypervisor must remain ABI compatible to continue
working with the same kernel.  This is the same requirement the kernel
has with the syscall interface it provides to userspace.

> BTW, what is the recommended distro or kernel setup to help testing
> the latest paravirt patches? I've got a spare machine (with no needed
> data) at hand which could be put to good use.

Distro of choice.  Current kernel with the pv patches[1], but be
forewarned, they are very early, and not fully booting.

thanks,
-chris

[1] mercurial patchqueue http://ozlabs.org/~rusty/paravirt/

  reply	other threads:[~2006-08-04  7:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-08-03 10:14 Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 11:16 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-08-03 12:16   ` Antonio Vargas
2006-08-03 15:17     ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-03 16:05     ` Chris Wright
2006-08-03 17:57     ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 18:29       ` Antonio Vargas
2006-08-03 18:47         ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 18:08   ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 19:03     ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 19:14       ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 19:36         ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 19:56           ` Dave Jones
2006-08-03 19:59             ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 20:25             ` Options depending on STANDALONE Adrian Bunk
2006-08-03 20:28               ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 20:41                 ` Dave Jones
2006-08-03 23:40               ` [v4l-dvb-maintainer] " Trent Piepho
2006-08-05 10:51                 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-06 11:18                   ` Oliver Endriss
2006-08-13 16:36                     ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-14 21:15                       ` Trent Piepho
2006-08-27 21:45                         ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-03 19:48     ` A proposal - binary linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-08-04  6:13       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-08-03 21:03     ` Alan Cox
2006-08-03 13:21 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-03 20:29   ` Willy Tarreau
2006-08-03 21:12     ` Alan Cox
2006-08-03 21:27       ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 15:35 ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-03 18:36   ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-05 10:45     ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-06 22:45       ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-06 22:59         ` Greg KH
2006-08-08  0:12         ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-08  0:42           ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-09  7:43             ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-03 19:06 ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 19:26   ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 20:01     ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 21:41       ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 22:33         ` Alan Cox
2006-08-03 22:30           ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 22:49             ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 22:31           ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 23:30             ` Alan Cox
2006-08-03 23:40               ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-04 10:21                 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-04 14:34                   ` Theodore Tso
2006-08-05  0:06                     ` Paul Mackerras
2006-08-04  8:56         ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-08-04  2:52       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-08-04  4:18         ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-04  5:04           ` Rusty Russell
2006-08-04  5:53             ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-04  7:04               ` Rusty Russell
2006-08-04  7:21                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-04  8:29                   ` Rusty Russell
2006-08-04 16:57                 ` David Lang
2006-08-04 18:38                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-08-04 18:46                   ` Antonio Vargas
2006-08-04 19:06                     ` David Lang
2006-08-04 19:26                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-08-04 19:45                         ` David Lang
2006-08-04 20:11                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-08-04 20:31                             ` David Lang
2006-08-04 21:26                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-08-04 21:40                                 ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
2006-08-04 22:00                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-08-04 22:45                             ` David Lang
2006-08-04 19:45                       ` Jeff Dike
2006-08-04 19:49                         ` David Lang
2006-08-04 21:46                           ` Jeff Dike
2006-08-04 22:40                             ` David Lang
2006-08-04  5:40           ` Chris Wright
2006-08-04  6:28             ` Antonio Vargas
2006-08-04  7:01               ` Chris Wright [this message]
2006-08-04  7:19                 ` Antonio Vargas
2006-08-04  7:37                   ` Chris Wright
2006-08-04 18:34       ` Chris Wright
2006-08-04 20:41         ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-04 20:52           ` Chris Wright
2006-08-04 21:26           ` Alan Cox
2006-08-05  1:14             ` James Bottomley
2006-08-05  5:37               ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-05 10:42                 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-05 11:50                 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-04 22:01           ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-04 22:39             ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-04 22:52               ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-04 22:43             ` David Lang
2006-08-05 10:47             ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-05 11:57               ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-05  1:30           ` James Bottomley
2006-08-05  4:33             ` Zachary Amsden

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