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From: Oliver Endriss <o.endriss@gmx.de>
To: v4l-dvb-maintainer@linuxtv.org
Cc: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>, Trent Piepho <xyzzy@speakeasy.org>,
	Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Jack Lo <jlo@vmware.com>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [v4l-dvb-maintainer] Options depending on STANDALONE
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 13:18:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200608061319.00085@orion.escape-edv.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060805105122.GT25692@stusta.de>

Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 04:40:25PM -0700, Trent Piepho wrote:
> > On Thu, 3 Aug 2006, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > > On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 03:56:17PM -0400, Dave Jones wrote:
> > > > You're describing PREVENT_FIRMWARE_BUILD.  The text Zach quoted is from
> > > > STANDALONE, which is something else completely.  That allows us to not
> > > > build drivers that pull in things from /etc and the like during compile.
> > > > (Whoever thought that was a good idea?)
> > >
> > > Is DVB_AV7110_FIRMWARE really still required?
> > > ALL other drivers work without such an option.
> > 
> > The other DVB drivers that need firmware load it when the device is opened
> > or used (ie.  a channel is tuned).  At least for the ones I'm familiar
> > with.  If they are compiled directly into the kernel, they can still use
> > FW_LOADER since the loading won't happen until utill well after booting is
> > done.
> > 
> > For AV7110, it looks like the firmware loading is done when the driver is
> > first initialized.  If AV7110 is compiled into the kernel, FW_LOADER can
> > not be used.  The filesystem with the firmware won't be mounted yet.
> > 
> > So AV7110 has an option to compile a firmware file into the driver.
> 
> But is there a technical reason why this has to be done this way?
> 
> This is the onle (non-OSS) driver doing it this way, and Zach has a 
> point that this is legally questionable.

This option _is_ useful because it allows allows a user to build an
av7110 driver without hotplug etc. I NAK any attempt to remove it.

Sorry, a kernel option cannot cause a legal issue. Only the user does.
For non-distribution kernels there is no difference whether firmware is
loaded at run-time or compiled-in.

Obviously, there might be a difference for distribution kernels if you
are not allowed to distribute the firmware (imho not a problem in this
case, but IANAL). Simple solution: Do not enable the option.

I have no problem if you want to remove STANDALONE: Simply remove the
dependency to STANDALONE, but keep DVB_AV7110_FIRMWARE with default 'n'.

CU
Oliver

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  reply	other threads:[~2006-08-06 11:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-08-03 10:14 A proposal - binary Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 11:16 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-08-03 12:16   ` Antonio Vargas
2006-08-03 15:17     ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-03 16:05     ` Chris Wright
2006-08-03 17:57     ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 18:29       ` Antonio Vargas
2006-08-03 18:47         ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 18:08   ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 19:03     ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 19:14       ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 19:36         ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 19:56           ` Dave Jones
2006-08-03 19:59             ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 20:25             ` Options depending on STANDALONE Adrian Bunk
2006-08-03 20:28               ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 20:41                 ` Dave Jones
2006-08-03 23:40               ` [v4l-dvb-maintainer] " Trent Piepho
2006-08-05 10:51                 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-06 11:18                   ` Oliver Endriss [this message]
2006-08-13 16:36                     ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-14 21:15                       ` Trent Piepho
2006-08-27 21:45                         ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-03 19:48     ` A proposal - binary linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-08-04  6:13       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-08-03 21:03     ` Alan Cox
2006-08-03 13:21 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-03 20:29   ` Willy Tarreau
2006-08-03 21:12     ` Alan Cox
2006-08-03 21:27       ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 15:35 ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-03 18:36   ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-05 10:45     ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-06 22:45       ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-06 22:59         ` Greg KH
2006-08-08  0:12         ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-08  0:42           ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-09  7:43             ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-03 19:06 ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 19:26   ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 20:01     ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 21:41       ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 22:33         ` Alan Cox
2006-08-03 22:30           ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 22:49             ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 22:31           ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 23:30             ` Alan Cox
2006-08-03 23:40               ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-04 10:21                 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-04 14:34                   ` Theodore Tso
2006-08-05  0:06                     ` Paul Mackerras
2006-08-04  8:56         ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-08-04  2:52       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-08-04  4:18         ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-04  5:04           ` Rusty Russell
2006-08-04  5:53             ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-04  7:04               ` Rusty Russell
2006-08-04  7:21                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-04  8:29                   ` Rusty Russell
2006-08-04 16:57                 ` David Lang
2006-08-04 18:38                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-08-04 18:46                   ` Antonio Vargas
2006-08-04 19:06                     ` David Lang
2006-08-04 19:26                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-08-04 19:45                         ` David Lang
2006-08-04 20:11                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-08-04 20:31                             ` David Lang
2006-08-04 21:26                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-08-04 21:40                                 ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
2006-08-04 22:00                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-08-04 22:45                             ` David Lang
2006-08-04 19:45                       ` Jeff Dike
2006-08-04 19:49                         ` David Lang
2006-08-04 21:46                           ` Jeff Dike
2006-08-04 22:40                             ` David Lang
2006-08-04  5:40           ` Chris Wright
2006-08-04  6:28             ` Antonio Vargas
2006-08-04  7:01               ` Chris Wright
2006-08-04  7:19                 ` Antonio Vargas
2006-08-04  7:37                   ` Chris Wright
2006-08-04 18:34       ` Chris Wright
2006-08-04 20:41         ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-04 20:52           ` Chris Wright
2006-08-04 21:26           ` Alan Cox
2006-08-05  1:14             ` James Bottomley
2006-08-05  5:37               ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-05 10:42                 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-05 11:50                 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-04 22:01           ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-04 22:39             ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-04 22:52               ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-04 22:43             ` David Lang
2006-08-05 10:47             ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-05 11:57               ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-05  1:30           ` James Bottomley
2006-08-05  4:33             ` Zachary Amsden

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