From: linux@horizon.com
To: johnstul@us.ibm.com, linux@horizon.com
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, theotso@us.ibm.com, zippel@linux-m68k.org
Subject: Re: Linux time code
Date: 23 Aug 2006 22:35:25 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060824023525.31199.qmail@science.horizon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1156357786.5370.23.camel@localhost.localdomain>
>> I was talking about the UTS/leapsecond bits w/ Ted just the other day
>> and had a similar thought! To me it makes quite a bit of sense to
>> generate UTC and UTS from TAI, just as you do in the above, since UTC =
>> TAI + leapsecond offset, just as local time = GMT + timezone offset.
> However the difficulty would be that while NTP provides leapsecond +/-
> notifiers, it doesn't provide the absolute UTC offset from TAI. So there
> isn't a way for the kernel to generate TAI, from a UTC settimeofday
> call. Some method to distribute and inform the kernel of the absolute
> leapsecond offset (tai_minus_utc in your code above) would be necessary.
Well, there are several possibilities. For the opinion of experts on
the subject see paper #7 from http://www.cis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp.html:
Levine, J., and D. Mills. Using the Network Time Protocol to transmit
International Atomic Time (TAI). Proc. Precision Time and Time Interval
(PTTI) Applications and Planning Meeting (Reston VA, November 2000).
http://www.cis.udel.edu/~mills/database/papers/leapsecond.{ps,pdf}
This describes an NTP extension to disseminate leap second times.
GPS broadcasts the absolute offset of UTC from GPS, which is itself
19 s from TAI, so you can get TAI.
You can also poll
ftp://time-b.nist.gov/pub/leap-seconds.list
every few months. Note that a directory listing will
tell you if anything has changed, since that's a symlink
to the real file, whose name includes an update timestamp.
You can also just accumulate the +/- notifiers to figure out the offset.
I think this can be entered very easily using sysctl.
> Additionally creating UTS and UTC at the same time would be a bit
> complicated. Your solution above isn't quite UTS, since it only handles
> the leap insertion, however the insertion case is the one that causes
> users most of the pain (since the clock goes backward), so it may very
> well be good enough.
It's not that it's hard to implement leap deletion, but it's code
on a moderately hot path (gettimeofday() is a very popular system
call) that will, as far as anyone knows, never be used.
If you want the full version, try:
case CLOCK_UTS:
/* Recommended for gettimeofday() & time() */
/* See http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/uts.txt */
clock_gettime(CLOCK_TAI, tp);
tp->tv_sec -= tai_minus_utc;
if (tp->tv_sec > next_leap_second) {
tp->tv_sec += (next_leap_second & 1) ? -1 : 1;
} else if (next_leap_second - tp->tv_sec < 1000) {
/* 1000 UTC/TAI seconds = 999 or 1001 UTS seconds */
uint32_t offset = next_leap_second - tp->tv_sec + 1;
offset *= MILLION;
offset += (uint32_t)(BILLION - tp->tv_nsec)/1000;
if (next_leap_second & 1) {
/* Negative (deleted) leap second */
if ((tp->tv_nsec += offset) >= BILLION) {
tp->tv_nsec -= BILLION;
tp->tv_sec++;
}
} else {
/* Positive (inserted) leap second */
if ((tp->tv_nsec -= offset) < 0) {
tp->tv_nsec += BILLION;
tp->tv_sec--;
}
}
}
break;
Note that this code does not interact nicely with updates to tai_minus_utc
and next_leap_second. An RCU-like scheme would involve a pre- and
post-leap tai_minus_utc, which lets you schedule a new leap by:
<wait for idle>
# At this point, everyone knows that next_leap_second has passed, and
# so pre_tai_utc is don't care
pre_tai_utc = post_tai_utc;
<wait for idle>
# Now next_leap_second is don't care.
next_leap_second = <announced time>
<wait for idle>
# Now post_tai_utc can be rewritten.
post_tai_utc++;
Which doesn't require any locking on the part of the reader, just not
blocking during the conversion.
> Overall, I like your idea quite a bit. Might we look forward to a
> patch? :)
Um, the UTS one I talked about, or the two-phase grab-raw and
convert-to-portable implementation technique? If the latter,
can we come to some agreement about the questions asked therein?
There's a very nice implementation in PHK's FreeBSD timecounter code.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-08-24 2:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-08-23 6:25 linux
2006-08-23 18:29 ` john stultz
2006-08-24 2:35 ` linux [this message]
2006-08-28 11:39 ` Roman Zippel
2006-08-28 22:36 ` john stultz
2006-08-29 3:28 ` linux
2006-08-29 13:15 ` Theodore Tso
2006-08-29 15:18 ` linux
2006-08-29 19:23 ` john stultz
2006-08-29 14:43 ` Roman Zippel
2006-08-26 0:17 ` linux
2006-08-28 22:41 ` john stultz
2006-08-26 3:46 ` linux
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-08-16 12:26 Ulrich Windl
2006-08-16 12:36 ` Oleg Verych
2006-08-16 15:35 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-08-16 15:12 ` Oleg Verych
2006-08-16 19:53 ` john stultz
2006-08-17 7:20 ` Ulrich Windl
2006-08-17 19:15 ` john stultz
2006-08-17 11:43 ` Roman Zippel
2006-08-17 21:58 ` john stultz
2006-08-17 22:11 ` Jesse Barnes
2006-08-17 22:32 ` john stultz
2006-08-17 22:50 ` Jesse Barnes
2006-08-17 23:02 ` john stultz
2006-08-20 17:14 ` Roman Zippel
2006-08-20 17:10 ` Roman Zippel
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