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From: Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: paulmck@us.ibm.com, David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Kernel development list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Uses for memory barriers
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 00:49:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200609090049.20416.oliver@neukum.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0609081824190.8280-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>

Am Samstag, 9. September 2006 00:25 schrieb Alan Stern:
> On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, Oliver Neukum wrote:
> 
> > > Again you have misunderstood.  The original code was _not_ incorrect.  I 
> > > was asking: Given the code as stated, would the assertion ever fail?
> > 
> > I claim the right to call code that fails its own assertions incorrect. :-)
> 
> Touche!
> 
> > > The code _was_ correct for my purposes, namely, to illustrate a technical 
> > > point about the behavior of memory barriers.
> > 
> > I would say that the code may fail the assertion purely based
> > on the formal definition of a memory barrier. And do so in a subtle
> > and inobvious way.
> 
> But what _is_ the formal definition of a memory barrier?  I've never seen 
> one that was complete and correct.

I' d say "mb();" is "rmb();wmb();"

and they work so that:

CPU 0

a = TRUE;
wmb();
b = TRUE;

CPU 1

if (b) {
	rmb();
	assert(a);
}

is correct. Possibly that is not a complete definition though.

	Regards
		Oliver

  reply	other threads:[~2006-09-08 22:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200609082230.22225.oliver@neukum.org>
2006-09-08 21:26 ` Alan Stern
2006-09-08 21:46   ` Oliver Neukum
2006-09-08 22:25     ` Alan Stern
2006-09-08 22:49       ` Oliver Neukum [this message]
2006-09-09  2:25         ` Alan Stern
2006-09-11 16:21           ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-09-11 16:50             ` Alan Stern
2006-09-11 17:23               ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-09-11 19:04                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-09-11 19:03               ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-09-11 17:21             ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-09-11 19:48             ` Oliver Neukum
2006-09-11 20:29               ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-09-12  8:57           ` David Howells
2006-09-12  9:01           ` David Howells
2006-09-12 10:22             ` Oliver Neukum
2006-09-12 14:55               ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-09-12 15:07                 ` Oliver Neukum
2006-09-12 16:12                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-09-12 17:50                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-09-12 14:42             ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found] <20060911190005.GA1295@us.ibm.com>
2006-09-12 18:08 ` Alan Stern
2006-09-12 20:23   ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-09-14 14:58     ` Alan Stern
2006-09-15  5:16       ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-09-15 19:48         ` Alan Stern
2006-09-16  4:19           ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-09-16 15:28             ` Alan Stern
2006-09-18 19:13               ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-09-18 20:13                 ` Alan Stern
2006-09-19  0:47                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-09-19 16:04                     ` Alan Stern
2006-09-19 16:38                       ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-19 17:40                         ` Alan Stern
2006-09-19 17:51                           ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-19 18:19                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-09-19 18:48                               ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-19 19:36                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-09-19 19:48                                   ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-19 20:01                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-09-19 20:38                                       ` Alan Stern
2006-09-21  1:43                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-09-19 18:16                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-09-20 19:39                         ` Alan Stern
2006-09-21  1:34                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-09-21 20:59                             ` Alan Stern
2006-09-22  5:02                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-09-22 20:38                                 ` Alan Stern
2006-09-27 21:06                                 ` Alan Stern
2006-09-30  1:11                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-09-30 21:01                                     ` Alan Stern
2006-10-02  0:06                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-10-02 15:44                                         ` Alan Stern
2006-10-04 15:35                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-10-04 18:04                                             ` Alan Stern
2006-10-13 16:51                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-10-13 18:30                                                 ` Alan Stern
2006-10-13 22:39                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-10-14  2:27                                                     ` Alan Stern
2006-10-17  1:24                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-10-17 15:29                                                         ` Alan Stern
2006-10-17 17:27                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-10-17 19:42                                                             ` Alan Stern
2006-10-17 20:15                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-10-17 21:21                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2006-10-17 22:58                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-10-18 19:05                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2006-10-18 23:01                                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-10-19 16:44                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2006-10-19 19:21                                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-10-19 20:55                                                                             ` Alan Stern
2006-10-19 22:46                                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-10-20 16:54                                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2006-10-21  0:59                                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-10-21 19:47                                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2006-10-21 22:52                                                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-10-22  2:18                                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2006-10-23  5:32                                                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-10-23 14:07                                                                                             ` Alan Stern
2006-10-24 17:52                                                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found] <200609081929.33027.oliver@neukum.org>
2006-09-08 18:06 ` Alan Stern
2006-09-08 18:22   ` Oliver Neukum
2006-09-07 21:25 Alan Stern
2006-09-07 22:10 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-09-08 18:39   ` Alan Stern
2006-09-08  0:14 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-09-08 15:55   ` Alan Stern
2006-09-08 18:57     ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-09-08 21:23       ` Alan Stern
2006-09-09  0:44         ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-09-11 16:05           ` Alan Stern
2006-09-08  5:52 ` David Schwartz

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