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From: David Madore <david.madore@ens.fr>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: Linux Kernel mailing-list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: patch to make Linux capabilities into something useful (v 0.3.1)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:41:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060910104105.GB5865@clipper.ens.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060909114037.GA4277@ucw.cz>

On Sat, Sep 09, 2006 at 11:40:38AM +0000, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > > If you can find another uid to hijack, that other uid has bad
> > > problems. And I do not think you'll commonly find another uid to
> > > hijack.
> > 
> > How about another gid, then?  Should we reset all caps on sgid exec?
> 
> Yes. Any setuid/setgid exec is a security barrier, and weird (or new)
> semantics may not cross that barrier.

Right, so what I was saying was: if you reset all regular caps on sgid
exec, anyone can trivially reset all regular caps by creating a sgid
program (users are always members of a great many groups so "finding
another gid to hijack" is trivial).  So CAP_REG_SXID needs to be off
all the time, so we lose again.

But I'll make this a securebit ("unsanitized sxid"), with the behavior
you advertise as default (0).

> > Ultimately a compromise is to be reached between security and
> > flexibility...  The problem is, I don't know who should make the
> > decision.
> 
> Go for security here. (Normally, consensus on the list is needed for
> merging the patch).

I am now completely convinced the patch will never be merged. :-(
Linux will have useless caps forever...

-- 
     David A. Madore
    (david.madore@ens.fr,
     http://www.madore.org/~david/ )

  reply	other threads:[~2006-09-10 10:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-09-05 21:26 David Madore
2006-09-06  0:27 ` Casey Schaufler
2006-09-06 10:06   ` David Madore
2006-09-06 13:26     ` David Madore
2006-09-07  0:11       ` Casey Schaufler
2006-09-07  0:32         ` David Madore
2006-09-07  1:01           ` Casey Schaufler
2006-09-07  1:29             ` David Wagner
2006-09-07 16:00               ` Casey Schaufler
2006-09-07 18:33                 ` David Wagner
2006-09-07 17:34             ` David Madore
2006-09-07 19:38               ` Bernd Eckenfels
2006-09-07 23:00                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-09-08  1:22                   ` Bernd Eckenfels
2006-09-08 10:45                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-09-08 16:08                       ` Casey Schaufler
2006-09-08 14:39                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-09-08 19:10                       ` Bernd Eckenfels
2006-09-07 22:54               ` Pavel Machek
2006-09-08  4:10                 ` David Madore
2006-09-08 10:52                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-09-08 22:51                     ` David Madore
2006-09-09  0:11                       ` Casey Schaufler
2006-09-09 11:59                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-09-09 11:40                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-09-10 10:41                         ` David Madore [this message]
2006-09-10 13:06                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-09-10 14:25                             ` capability inheritance (was: Re: patch to make Linux capabilities into something useful (v 0.3.1)) David Madore
2006-09-10 22:42                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-09-11 16:00                               ` Casey Schaufler
2006-09-11 17:39                                 ` David Madore
2006-09-09  0:59                   ` patch to make Linux capabilities into something useful (v 0.3.1) David Wagner
2006-09-09 12:49                     ` David Madore
2006-09-09 23:18       ` Theodore Tso
2006-09-10 10:13         ` David Madore
2006-09-10 12:36         ` Pavel Machek
2006-09-10 23:24           ` Theodore Tso
2006-09-11  8:09             ` Pavel Machek
2006-09-06 18:25 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-09-06 22:27   ` David Madore
2006-09-07  0:04     ` David Madore
2006-09-07 23:06       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-09-08  4:16         ` David Madore
2006-09-07  6:43     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-09-07 23:02     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-09-08  1:08       ` David Madore
2006-09-08  1:31         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-09-08 21:45           ` David Madore
2006-09-07 18:21 ` James Antill
2006-09-07 18:33   ` Kyle Moffett
2006-09-07 20:05     ` James Antill
2006-09-08  4:00   ` David Madore

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