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From: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
To: ak@suse.de
Cc: master@sectorb.msk.ru, hawk@diku.dk, harry@atmos.washington.edu,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Network performance degradation from 2.6.11.12 to 2.6.16.20
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:09:05 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060918.070905.98863400.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <p73eju94htu.fsf@verdi.suse.de>

From: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
Date: 18 Sep 2006 11:58:21 +0200

> For netdev: I'm more and more thinking we should just avoid the
> problem completely and switch to "true end2end" timestamps. This
> means don't time stamp when a packet is received, but only when it
> is delivered to a socket. The timestamp at receiving is a lie
> anyways because the network hardware can add an arbitary long delay
> before the driver interrupt handler runs. Then the problem above
> would completely disappear.

I don't think this is wise.

People who run tcpdump want "wire" timestamps as close as possible.
Yes, things get delayed with the IRQ path, DMA delays, IRQ
mitigation and whatnot, but it's an order of magnitude worse if
you delay to user read() since that introduces also the delay of
the packet copies to userspace which are significantly larger than
these hardware level delays.  If tcpdump gets swapped out, the
timestamp delay can be on the order of several seconds making it
totally useless.

Andi, you will need to find another solution to this problem :-)


  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-09-18 14:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-16 16:01 Harry Edmon
2006-06-17 22:35 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-17 23:23   ` Harry Edmon
2006-06-17 23:56     ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-18  3:16       ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-06-18 23:23         ` Harry Edmon
2006-06-19 13:54         ` Harry Edmon
2006-06-20  2:11           ` Herbert Xu
2006-06-19 14:47     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2006-06-19 15:24       ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-19 17:34         ` Chris Friesen
2006-06-19 20:39           ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-19 18:24         ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2006-06-25 21:51           ` Harry Edmon
2006-06-26  4:20             ` Bill Fink
2006-06-25 22:22         ` Willy Tarreau
2006-06-26  5:23           ` Andi Kleen
2006-07-04 11:41             ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2006-07-04 11:54               ` Andi Kleen
2006-07-10 10:55                 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2006-09-16 12:08         ` Vladimir B. Savkin
2006-09-18  8:35           ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-18  9:03             ` Vladimir B. Savkin
2006-09-18  9:58               ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-18 10:29                 ` Vladimir B. Savkin
2006-09-18 11:27                   ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-18 15:38                     ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-09-18 15:54                       ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-18 16:28                         ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-09-18 16:50                           ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-18 21:03                             ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-09-18 21:22                               ` David Miller
2006-09-18 21:46                                 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-09-19  5:55                                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-19 20:31                                 ` Thomas Graf
2006-09-19 20:43                                   ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-19  5:52                               ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-18 21:18                             ` Vladimir B. Savkin
2006-09-18 22:00                               ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-09-18 21:57                                 ` David Lang
2006-09-19 19:40                                   ` David Miller
2006-09-19 19:44                                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-09-18 22:03                                 ` Vladimir B. Savkin
2006-09-19 19:41                                   ` David Miller
2006-09-19 19:47                                 ` David Miller
2006-09-22 15:35                                   ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-09-22 15:43                                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-22 16:51                                       ` Rick Jones
2007-03-06 13:25                                         ` Packet timestamps (was: Re: Network performance degradation from 2.6.11.12 to 2.6.16.20) Vladimir B. Savkin
2007-03-06 14:38                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2007-03-06 14:43                                             ` Vladimir B. Savkin
2007-03-06 15:16                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2007-03-06 18:15                                                 ` Vladimir B. Savkin
2006-09-18 21:08                     ` Network performance degradation from 2.6.11.12 to 2.6.16.20 Vladimir B. Savkin
2006-09-18 14:09                 ` David Miller [this message]
2006-09-18 14:29                   ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-18 15:19                     ` Alan Cox
2006-09-18 15:19                       ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-19 16:40       ` Harry Edmon

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