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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>
Cc: Muli Ben-Yehuda <muli@il.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] KVM: Kernel-based Virtual Machine
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 17:23:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200610221723.48646.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <453B2DDB.3010303@qumranet.com>

On Sunday 22 October 2006 10:37, Avi Kivity wrote:
> I like this.  Since we plan to support multiple vcpus per vm, the fs
> structure might look like:
>
> /kvm/my_vm
>     |
>     +----memory          # mkdir to create memory slot.

Note that the way spufs does it, every directory is a reference-counted
object. Currently that includes single contexts and groups of
contexts that are supposed to be scheduled simultaneously.

The trick is that we use the special 'spu_create' syscall to
add a new object, while naming it, and return an open file
descriptor to it. When that file descriptor gets closed, the
object gets garbage-collected automatically.

This way you can simply kill a task, which also cleans up
all the special objects it allocated.

We ended up adding a lot more file than we initially planned,
but the interface is really handy, especially if you want to
create some procps-like tools for it.

>     |     |              #    how to set size and offset?
>     |     |
>     |     +---0          # guest physical memory slot
>     |         |
>     |         +-- dirty_bitmap  # read to get and atomically reset
>     |                           # the changed pages log

Have you thought about simply defining your guest to be a section
of the processes virtual address space? That way you could use
an anonymous mapping in the host as your guest address space, or
even use a file backed mapping in order to make the state persistant
over multiple runs. Or you could map the guest kernel into the
guest real address space with a private mapping and share the
text segment over multiple guests to save L2 and RAM.

>     |
>     |
>     +----cpu             # mkdir/rmdir to create/remove vcpu
>           |

I'd recommend not allowing mkdir or similar operations, although
it's not that far off. One option would be to let the user specify
the number of CPUs at kvm_create() time, another option might
be to allow kvm_create with a special flag or yet another syscall
to create the vcpu objects.

>           +----0
>           |     |
>           |     +--- irq     # write to inject an irq
>           |     |
>           |     +--- regs    # read/write to get/set registers
>           |     |
>           |     +--- debugger   # write to set breakpoints/singlestep mode
>           |
>           +----1
>                 [...]
>
> It's certainly a lot more code though, and requires new syscalls.  Since
> this is a little esoteric does it warrant new syscalls?

We've gone through a number of iterations on the spufs design regarding this,
and in the end decided that the garbage-collecting property of spu_create
was superior to any other option, and adding the spu_run syscall was then
the logical step. BTW, one inspiration for spu_run came from sys_vm86, which
as you are probably aware of is already doing a lot of what you do, just
not for protected mode guests.

	Arnd <><

  reply	other threads:[~2006-10-22 15:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-10-19 13:45 Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 13:47 ` [PATCH 1/7] KVM: userspace interface Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 14:30   ` John Stoffel
2006-10-19 14:43     ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 23:26       ` Greg KH
2006-10-19 14:50     ` Alan Cox
2006-10-19 14:51       ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 15:25         ` John Stoffel
2006-10-19 18:49       ` Anthony Liguori
2006-10-19 19:10         ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 19:17           ` Anthony Liguori
2006-10-20  7:36             ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-20 15:33               ` Anthony Liguori
2006-10-22  8:10                 ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 20:36         ` Alan Cox
2006-10-19 18:46   ` Anthony Liguori
2006-10-19 19:04     ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 19:09       ` Anthony Liguori
2006-10-19 19:26         ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 19:31           ` Anthony Liguori
2006-10-19 22:15             ` Alan Cox
2006-10-20  7:42             ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-20 15:35               ` Anthony Liguori
2006-10-19 20:10       ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-19 20:14   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-10-20  7:16     ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-21 15:50       ` Arnd Bergmann
2006-10-22  8:19         ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-21 13:37   ` Steven Rostedt
2006-10-22  8:14     ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 13:48 ` [PATCH 2/7] KVM: Intel virtual mode extensions definitions Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 20:19   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-10-19 21:54     ` Alan Cox
2006-10-20  7:17     ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-21 13:48   ` Steven Rostedt
2006-10-22  8:17     ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 13:49 ` [PATCH 3/7] KVM: kvm data structures Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 13:53 ` [PATCH 5/7] KVM: mmu virtualization Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 20:26   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-10-20  7:24     ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 13:54 ` [PATCH 6/7] KVM: x86 emulator Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 13:56 ` [PATCH 7/7] KVM: plumbing Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 13:58 ` [PATCH 0/7] KVM: Kernel-based Virtual Machine Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 16:05 ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-19 16:09   ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 19:02     ` Anthony Liguori
2006-10-19 19:14       ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 19:28         ` Anthony Liguori
2006-10-20  7:37           ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 17:31 ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
2006-10-19 18:00   ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 18:12     ` Randy Dunlap
2006-10-19 18:14       ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-19 18:30         ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-10-21 16:16     ` Arnd Bergmann
2006-10-22  8:37       ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-22 15:23         ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2006-10-22 16:18           ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-22 16:51             ` Arnd Bergmann
2006-10-22 17:01               ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-22 17:06                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2006-10-22 17:41                   ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-22 17:47                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2006-10-22 17:56                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-10-22 18:00                   ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-22 18:36                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2006-10-22 18:41                       ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-22 18:49                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2006-10-22 18:55                           ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-22 22:26                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-23 22:29                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-10-22 20:01                   ` Alan Cox
2006-10-22 20:45                   ` Roland Dreier
2006-10-23  0:29                   ` Anthony Liguori
2006-10-25 16:42                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-22 19:59               ` Alan Cox
2006-10-22 22:28                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-23  0:27                   ` Roland Dreier
2006-10-23  0:39                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-23  0:51                       ` Roland Dreier
2006-10-22 17:39         ` Anthony Liguori
2006-10-22 17:53           ` Arnd Bergmann
2006-10-22 19:56         ` Alan Cox
2006-10-23  7:42           ` Avi Kivity
2006-10-24 21:38       ` kvm_create() (was Re: [PATCH 0/7] KVM: Kernel-based Virtual Machine) Andy Isaacson
2006-10-19 18:55   ` [PATCH 0/7] KVM: Kernel-based Virtual Machine Anthony Liguori

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