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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: vatsa@in.ibm.com, Bjorn Helgaas <bjorn.helgaas@hp.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Myron Stowe <myron.stowe@hp.com>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, Dipankar <dipankar@in.ibm.com>,
	Gautham shenoy <ego@in.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: workqueue deadlock
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 04:16:00 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20061210041600.56306676.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061210114943.GA14749@elte.hu>

On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 12:49:43 +0100
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:

> > > 	void cpu_hotplug_lock(void)

This is actually not cpu-hotplug safe ;)  

> > > 	{
> > > 		int cpu = raw_smp_processor_id();
> > > 		/*
> > > 		 * Interrupts/softirqs are hotplug-safe:
> > > 		 */
> > > 		if (in_interrupt())
> > > 			return;
> > > 		if (current->hotplug_depth++)
> > > 			return;

<preempt, cpu hot-unplug, resume on different CPU>

> > > 		current->hotplug_lock = &per_cpu(hotplug_lock, cpu);

<use-after-free>

> > > 		mutex_lock(current->hotplug_lock);

And it sleeps, so we can't use preempt_disable().

> > > 	}

It's worth noting that this very common sequence:

	preempt_disable();
	cpu = smp_processor_id();
	...
	preempt_enable();

also provides cpu-hotunplug protection against scenarios such as the above.

> > That's functionally equivalent to what we have now, and it isn't 
> > working too well.
> 
> hm, i thought the main reason of not using cpu_hotplug_lock() in a 
> widespread manner was not related to its functionality but to its 
> scalability - but i could be wrong.

It hasn't been noticed yet.

I suspect a large part of the reason for that is that we only really care
about hot-unplug when this CPU reaches across to some other CPU's data.  Often
_all_ other CPU's data.  And that's a super-inefficient thing, so it's rare.

Most of the problems we've had are due to borkage in cpufreq.  And that's
simply cruddy code - it's not due to the complexity of CPU hotplug per-se.

> The one above is scalable and we 
> could use it as /the/ method to control CPU hotplug. All the flux i 
> remember related to cpu_hotplug_lock() use from the fork path and from 
> other scheduler hotpaths related to its scalability bottleneck, not to 
> its locking efficiency.

One quite different way of addressing all of this is to stop using
stop_machine_run() for hotplug synchronisation and switch to the swsusp
freezer infrastructure: all kernel threads and user processes need to stop
and park themselves in a known state before we allow the CPU to be removed.
lock_cpu_hotplug() becomes a no-op.

Dunno if it'll work - I only just thought of it.  It sure would simplify
things.

  reply	other threads:[~2006-12-10 12:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-12-07  0:26 Bjorn Helgaas
2006-12-07  6:17 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-12-07  6:45   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-12-07 18:51 ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-07 19:37   ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-08  2:53     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-12-08  4:54       ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-08  7:58         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-12-09 10:26         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-12-09 19:47           ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-10  8:26             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-12-10  8:43               ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-10 11:49                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-12-10 12:16                   ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2006-12-10 12:19                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-12-10 12:34                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-11  6:09                         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-12-10 14:18                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-12-11  6:52                       ` Dipankar Sarma
2006-12-11 16:34                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-12-11  5:45                     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-12-11  6:03                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-11  4:58               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri

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