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From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
To: Tilman Schmidt <tilman@imap.cc>
Cc: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>,
	Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@linux01.gwdg.de>,
	Russell King <rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: OT: character encodings
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 02:59:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070108015958.GT20714@stusta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45A19F3A.5030800@imap.cc>

On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 02:32:42AM +0100, Tilman Schmidt wrote:
> Am 08.01.2007 01:38 schrieb Willy Tarreau:
>...
> > And I'm not even
> > discussing the stupidity which requires that you read a whole text to get
> > its number of characters !
> 
> Personally I find the requirement to know the number of characters in a text
> rather unusual, so I wouldn't base a decision for an encoding on that. In
> fact, I cannot remember ever really wanting to know the actual number of
> characters in a text. The number of bytes occupied on storage, ok. The
> number of letters, of words, of lines, perhaps even the number of printable
> characters, all potentially interesting, depending on the application.
> But the raw number of characters? I don't know what that might serve for.

Also note that the UTF-32 Unicode encoding would offer this property, 
but with the following disadvantages compared to the UTF-8 Unicode 
encoding:
- 7bit ASCII is not a subset of UTF-32 losing a lot of compatibility
  (code 7bit ASCII with some UTF-8 in the comments is no problem
   for not-Unicode aware systems except for slight misdisplayments 
   of the comments)
- UTF-32 has up to 4 times the size of UTF-8

There's also the point that you can use e.g. "wc" or your editor for 
counting the characters.

> HTH
> Tilman

cu
Adrian

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
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  reply	other threads:[~2007-01-08  1:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-07  6:19 Linux 2.6.20-rc4 Linus Torvalds
2007-01-07 10:56 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-07 11:44   ` Russell King
2007-01-07 13:06     ` OT: character encodings (was: Linux 2.6.20-rc4) Tilman Schmidt
2007-01-07 15:13       ` David Woodhouse
2007-01-07 15:38         ` Russell King
2007-01-07 16:29           ` David Woodhouse
2007-01-07 17:06             ` Russell King
2007-01-07 19:11               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-07 19:20                 ` Russell King
2007-01-07 20:48                 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-01-07 23:37                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-08  0:38                     ` Willy Tarreau
2007-01-08  1:03                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-08  1:14                         ` Willy Tarreau
2007-01-08  1:45                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-08  6:52                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-08  8:02                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-08  1:32                       ` OT: character encodings Tilman Schmidt
2007-01-08  1:59                         ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2007-01-08 19:53                       ` OT: character encodings (was: Linux 2.6.20-rc4) Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-07 19:29               ` OT: character encodings Tilman Schmidt
2007-01-07 18:21           ` OT: character encodings (was: Linux 2.6.20-rc4) Alan
2007-01-07 19:12             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-07 22:30               ` Alan
2007-01-08  1:22                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-08 20:17                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-08 22:00                     ` Ken Moffat
2007-01-08 23:21                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-08 23:34                         ` Eberhard Moenkeberg
2007-01-08 16:14                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-08 22:17                   ` Tim Pepper
2007-01-08 23:30                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-07 19:17             ` Russell King
2007-01-07 19:58               ` Robin Rosenberg
2007-01-07 20:05               ` Dave Jones
2007-01-07 20:15                 ` Sean
2007-01-07 20:40                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-07 21:07                     ` Xavier Bestel
2007-01-08  4:42                 ` David Woodhouse
2007-01-08  1:40               ` Horst H. von Brand
2007-01-07 13:23   ` Linux 2.6.20-rc4 Alan
2007-01-07 12:15 ` Akula2
2007-01-07 12:55   ` Russell King
2007-01-07 13:38     ` Akula2
2007-01-07 13:53       ` Willy Tarreau
2007-01-07 14:23         ` Akula2
2007-01-07 20:57 ` Peter Osterlund
2007-01-07 21:04   ` Peter Osterlund
2007-01-08 15:50     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-01-07 22:50   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-08  1:00     ` David Miller
2007-01-08  6:38       ` Peter Osterlund
2007-01-08 20:49       ` Peter Osterlund
2007-01-08 21:52         ` David Miller
2007-01-08 22:33     ` Patrick McHardy
2007-01-08 23:02       ` Peter Osterlund
2007-01-08 23:12         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-09  3:42           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-09  7:39           ` David Miller
2007-01-07 21:22 ` Gene Heskett
2007-01-08  0:22 ` 2.6.20-rc4: known unfixed regressions Adrian Bunk
2007-01-08  1:20   ` Bernhard Schmidt
2007-01-08  0:25 ` 2.6.20-rc4: known regressions with patches available Adrian Bunk
2007-01-08  0:33   ` Marcel Holtmann
2007-01-08 14:50 ` Linux 2.6.20-rc4 Mariusz Kozlowski
2007-01-08 14:58   ` Sylvain Munaut
2007-01-08 15:03     ` Mariusz Kozlowski
2007-01-08 19:11     ` Jean Delvare
2007-01-09  0:38     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-09  0:56       ` Greg KH
2007-01-09  2:05         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-09  7:04           ` David Woodhouse
2007-01-09  7:04             ` Sylvain Munaut
2007-01-09  9:04             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-09  7:14           ` Sylvain Munaut
2007-01-09  7:28             ` David Woodhouse
2007-01-09  9:08               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-09  9:07             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-09  7:18           ` Greg KH
2007-01-09  5:25 ` 2.6.20-rc4: known unfixed regressions (v2) Adrian Bunk
2007-01-09 17:58   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-09 18:08     ` Malte Schröder
2007-01-09 18:30       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-11  0:24         ` Vladimir V. Saveliev
2007-01-11  1:00           ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-11 13:12             ` Vladimir V. Saveliev
2007-01-11 23:53               ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-09 20:28     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-09  5:51 ` 2.6.20-rc4: known regressions with patches (v2) Adrian Bunk
2007-01-11  5:10 ` 2.6.20-rc4: known unfixed regressions (v3) Adrian Bunk
2007-01-11  6:43   ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-11  8:45     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-11 10:21       ` Jiri Kosina
2007-01-11 10:54         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-11 11:08           ` CIJOML
2007-01-11  5:13 ` 2.6.20-rc4: known regressions with patches (v3) Adrian Bunk
2007-01-11 21:39   ` David Chinner
2007-01-11 22:02     ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-11 23:05       ` David Chinner

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