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From: Srivatsa Vaddagiri <vatsa@in.ibm.com>
To: "Paul Menage" <menage@google.com>
Cc: akpm@osdl.org, pj@sgi.com, sekharan@us.ibm.com, dev@sw.ru,
	xemul@sw.ru, serue@us.ibm.com, ebiederm@xmission.com,
	ckrm-tech@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	rohitseth@google.com, mbligh@google.com, winget@google.com,
	containers@lists.osdl.org, devel@openvz.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/7] containers (V7): Add generic multi-subsystem API to containers
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:49:45 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070213131945.GB4252@in.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6599ad830702121040m7d39ad1u1210002dea702902@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 10:40:52AM -0800, Paul Menage wrote:
> I did consider that approach at one point. The reason I rejected it
> was that then container->count would no longer even vaguely represent
> the number of processes in a container. Now that we have the
> container_group object, we have to use that for counting the number of
> processes in a container anyway, so that objection goes away.

Yep.

> However, I think it's important to be able to provide some kind of a
> reference count that subsystems can grab (e.g. to store a reference in
> a non-task object such as a file struct) without taking manage_mutex
> or callback_mutex (since that would be excessively heavyweight) but
> which can still be "frozen" at zero at the point when you're trying to
> destroy a container. 

Well, we already bump up reference count in fork() w/o grabbing those
mutexes don't we? Also if rmdir() sees container->count to be zero, then
it means no task is attached to the container. How will then a function
like bc_file_charge() bump up the reference count to such a container
(presuming it wanted to do so w/o manage/callback mutexes -and- that the
container pointer in bc_file_charge is derived from some task in 
that container). I think it is safe to bump up container->count in
bc_file_charge w/o grabbing manage/callback mutexes.

> Additionally, having it per subsystem will be
> important for when we implement arbitrary binding/unbinding of
> subsystems from hierarchies - at that point we need to be able know
> which subsystems have external reference counts, and hence aren't
> removeable.

Are you talking about (un)bind of subsystem to/from hierararchies that
have non-zero containers in them? That sounds very icky. Anyway that
doesnt seem to be supported in current patches.

Basically I felt we should defer introducing css_get/put until we find a good 
user for it, (and bc_file_(un)charge dont seem to be good users of it-
see above).



-- 
Regards,
vatsa

  reply	other threads:[~2007-02-13 13:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-02-12  8:15 [PATCH 0/7] containers (V7): Generic Process Containers menage
2007-02-12  8:15 ` [PATCH 1/7] containers (V7): Generic container system abstracted from cpusets code menage
2007-02-12 12:33   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-02-12 19:26     ` Paul Menage
2007-02-12 19:46       ` Paul Menage
2007-02-13  5:48         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-02-13  8:16           ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 12:21   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 14:06     ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 20:50     ` Paul Menage
2007-03-08 10:38       ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-08 10:40         ` Paul Menage
2007-03-11 19:38         ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-12 14:19           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-22  9:56   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-22 10:20     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-24 15:05   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-24 19:25     ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-25  0:45       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-25  1:41         ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-25  2:28           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-25  4:16             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-25  5:43               ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-25  8:21                 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-25  4:45             ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-25  5:05               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-25  4:59                 ` Paul Jackson
2007-02-12  8:15 ` [PATCH 2/7] containers (V7): Cpusets hooked into containers menage
2007-02-15 20:35   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-02-15 20:49     ` Paul Menage
2007-03-07 14:34   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 16:01     ` Paul Menage
2007-03-07 16:31       ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 16:31         ` Paul Menage
2007-03-07 14:52   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 16:12     ` Paul Menage
2007-02-12  8:15 ` [PATCH 4/7] containers (V7): Simple CPU accounting container subsystem menage
2007-02-12  8:15 ` [PATCH 5/7] containers (V7): Resource Groups over generic containers menage
2007-02-12  8:15 ` [PATCH 6/7] containers (V7): BeanCounters over generic process containers menage
2007-02-12 15:34   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-02-12 18:49     ` Paul Menage
2007-02-13  8:52   ` Pavel Emelianov
2007-02-13  9:03     ` Paul Menage
2007-02-13  9:18       ` Pavel Emelianov
2007-02-13  9:37         ` Paul Menage
2007-02-13  9:49           ` Pavel Emelianov
2007-02-12  8:15 ` [PATCH 7/7] containers (V7): Container interface to nsproxy subsystem menage
2007-03-24  5:05   ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-24 16:23     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-26 21:57       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-28 14:55         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-28 15:26           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-26 21:55     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-31  2:47   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-02 14:09     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-04-02 14:27       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-02 18:02         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-03 14:16           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-03 15:32           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-04-03 15:45             ` Paul Menage
2007-04-03 15:54               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-04-03 16:16               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-03 16:26               ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-04-03 16:46               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-03 16:52                 ` Paul Menage
2007-04-03 17:11                   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-03 17:10                     ` Paul Menage
2007-04-03 17:30                       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-03 17:30                         ` Paul Menage
2007-04-03 17:51                           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-03 17:49                             ` Paul Menage
2007-04-04  3:07                               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-04  3:44                                 ` Paul Jackson
2007-04-04  4:04                                 ` Paul Menage
2007-04-04  5:15                                   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-04  7:00                                     ` Paul Menage
2007-04-04 17:26                                       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-04 17:42                                         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-04 18:57                                         ` Paul Menage
2007-04-04 23:02                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-05  1:35                                             ` Paul Menage
2007-04-05  1:37                                               ` Paul Menage
2007-04-05 16:57                                           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-05 17:14                                             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-06 21:54                                             ` Paul Menage
2007-04-05  2:57                                         ` Paul Menage
2007-04-05  6:39                                           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-05  6:46                                             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-05  6:48                                             ` Paul Menage
2007-04-05  8:49                                               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-05  9:29                                                 ` Paul Menage
2007-04-05 12:43                                                   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-05 14:13                                                     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-05 14:13                                                     ` Paul Menage
2007-04-05 14:46                                                       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-03 17:34                       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-03 17:29                         ` Paul Menage
2007-04-03 16:10             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-03 15:41           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-02-12  9:18 ` [PATCH 0/7] containers (V7): Generic Process Containers Paul Jackson
2007-02-12  9:32   ` Paul Menage
2007-02-12  9:52     ` Paul Jackson
2007-02-12 22:38 ` Sam Vilain
2007-02-12 22:47   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-02-12 23:18     ` Paul Menage
2007-02-12 23:15   ` Paul Menage
2007-02-13  0:30     ` Sam Vilain
2007-02-13  0:42       ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Menage
2007-02-13  1:13         ` Sam Vilain
2007-02-13  1:47           ` Paul Menage
2007-02-20 17:34     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-20 17:55       ` Paul Menage
2007-02-20 19:29         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-20 22:47           ` Paul Menage
2007-02-20 23:08             ` Sam Vilain
2007-02-20 23:36               ` Paul Menage
2007-02-20 23:32             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-02-20 21:58         ` Sam Vilain
2007-02-20 22:19           ` Paul Menage
2007-02-20 22:58             ` Sam Vilain
2007-02-20 23:28               ` Paul Menage
2007-02-20 23:37               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found] ` <20070212085104.485337000@menage.corp.google.com>
2007-02-12 15:27   ` [PATCH 3/7] containers (V7): Add generic multi-subsystem API to containers Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-02-12 18:40     ` Paul Menage
2007-02-13 13:19       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri [this message]
2007-02-15  1:17         ` Paul Menage
2007-02-12 15:39   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-02-12 15:56     ` Cedric Le Goater
2007-02-12 18:31       ` Paul Menage
2007-02-14  8:49   ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-08 17:52   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-24 12:51   ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri

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