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From: "Paul Menage" <menage@google.com>
To: vatsa@in.ibm.com
Cc: sekharan@us.ibm.com, ckrm-tech@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, xemul@sw.ru,
	containers@lists.osdl.org, pj@sgi.com,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	mbligh@google.com, winget@google.com, rohitseth@google.com,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>,
	dev@sw.ru, devel@openvz.org
Subject: Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 7/7] containers (V7): Container interface to nsproxy subsystem
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:13:37 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6599ad830704050713h34752b1cted9dbe1ff7ab8bec@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070405124325.GA13822@in.ibm.com>

On 4/5/07, Srivatsa Vaddagiri <vatsa@in.ibm.com> wrote:
> > If the container directory were to have no refcount on the nsproxy, so
> > the initial refcount was 0,
>
> No it should be 1.
>
>         mkdir H1/foo
>                 rcfs_create()
>                    ns = dup_namespaces(parent);
>
>                     ....
>                    dentry->d_fsdata = ns;
>
> ns should have a refcount of 1 to begin with.

Right - that's my point, you're effectively passing the initial
refcount of the nsproxy to the container directory's d_fsdata
reference.

>
>         - refcount of a nsproxy attached to a directory dentry can never
>           fall to zero because of tasks coming in and out. The only
>           way for the refcount of such nsproxies to fall to zero and
>           hence trigger their destruction is thr' the rmdir i/f.
>
>         - New nsproxies derived from the base directory nsproxy
>           can have their's refcount go to zero as tasks exit or move
>           around and hence they will be destroyed.
>
> Does that sound like correct behavior?

Sounds good.

>
> > Possibly - there are two choices:
> >
> > 1) expose a refcount to them directly, and just interrogate the
> > refcount from the generic code to see if it's safe to delete the
> > directory
> >
> > 2) have a can_destroy() callback with well defined semantics about
> > when it's safe to take refcounts again - it's quite possible that one
> > subsystem can return true from can_destroy() but others don't, in
> > which case the subsystem can become active again.
>
> Lets go back to the f_bc example here for a moment. Lets say T1 was in C1 and
> opened file f1. f1->f_bc points to C1->beancounter.
>
> T1 moves from C1 -> C2, but f1 is not migrated.
> C1->beancounter.count stays at 1 (to account for f1->f_bc).
>
> File f1 is closed. C1->beancounter.count becomes zero.
>
> Now user issues rmdir C1. If rmdir finds (after taking manage_mutex that
> is)
>
>         - zero tasks in C1
>         - zero refcount in C1->beancounter
>
> why is it not safe to assume that C1->beancounter.count will continue to
> stay zero?
>
> Basically I am struggling to answer "How can a zero refcount (beancounter)
> object go non-zero when zero tasks are attached to it" ..

In that case, I think you're fine. Your last posted patches didn't
provide a way to check for that, though, as far as I could see.

Paul

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-04-05 14:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-02-12  8:15 [PATCH 0/7] containers (V7): Generic Process Containers menage
2007-02-12  8:15 ` [PATCH 1/7] containers (V7): Generic container system abstracted from cpusets code menage
2007-02-12 12:33   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-02-12 19:26     ` Paul Menage
2007-02-12 19:46       ` Paul Menage
2007-02-13  5:48         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-02-13  8:16           ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 12:21   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 14:06     ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 20:50     ` Paul Menage
2007-03-08 10:38       ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-08 10:40         ` Paul Menage
2007-03-11 19:38         ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-12 14:19           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-22  9:56   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-22 10:20     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-24 15:05   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-24 19:25     ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-25  0:45       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-25  1:41         ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-25  2:28           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-25  4:16             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-25  5:43               ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-25  8:21                 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-25  4:45             ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-25  5:05               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-25  4:59                 ` Paul Jackson
2007-02-12  8:15 ` [PATCH 2/7] containers (V7): Cpusets hooked into containers menage
2007-02-15 20:35   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-02-15 20:49     ` Paul Menage
2007-03-07 14:34   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 16:01     ` Paul Menage
2007-03-07 16:31       ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 16:31         ` Paul Menage
2007-03-07 14:52   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 16:12     ` Paul Menage
2007-02-12  8:15 ` [PATCH 4/7] containers (V7): Simple CPU accounting container subsystem menage
2007-02-12  8:15 ` [PATCH 5/7] containers (V7): Resource Groups over generic containers menage
2007-02-12  8:15 ` [PATCH 6/7] containers (V7): BeanCounters over generic process containers menage
2007-02-12 15:34   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-02-12 18:49     ` Paul Menage
2007-02-13  8:52   ` Pavel Emelianov
2007-02-13  9:03     ` Paul Menage
2007-02-13  9:18       ` Pavel Emelianov
2007-02-13  9:37         ` Paul Menage
2007-02-13  9:49           ` Pavel Emelianov
2007-02-12  8:15 ` [PATCH 7/7] containers (V7): Container interface to nsproxy subsystem menage
2007-03-24  5:05   ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-24 16:23     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-26 21:57       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-28 14:55         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-28 15:26           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-26 21:55     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-31  2:47   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-02 14:09     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-04-02 14:27       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-02 18:02         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-03 14:16           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-03 15:32           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-04-03 15:45             ` Paul Menage
2007-04-03 15:54               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-04-03 16:16               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-03 16:26               ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-04-03 16:46               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-03 16:52                 ` Paul Menage
2007-04-03 17:11                   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-03 17:10                     ` Paul Menage
2007-04-03 17:30                       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-03 17:30                         ` Paul Menage
2007-04-03 17:51                           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-03 17:49                             ` Paul Menage
2007-04-04  3:07                               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-04  3:44                                 ` Paul Jackson
2007-04-04  4:04                                 ` Paul Menage
2007-04-04  5:15                                   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-04  7:00                                     ` Paul Menage
2007-04-04 17:26                                       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-04 17:42                                         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-04 18:57                                         ` Paul Menage
2007-04-04 23:02                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-05  1:35                                             ` Paul Menage
2007-04-05  1:37                                               ` Paul Menage
2007-04-05 16:57                                           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-05 17:14                                             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-06 21:54                                             ` Paul Menage
2007-04-05  2:57                                         ` Paul Menage
2007-04-05  6:39                                           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-05  6:46                                             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-05  6:48                                             ` Paul Menage
2007-04-05  8:49                                               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-05  9:29                                                 ` Paul Menage
2007-04-05 12:43                                                   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-05 14:13                                                     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-05 14:13                                                     ` Paul Menage [this message]
2007-04-05 14:46                                                       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-03 17:34                       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-03 17:29                         ` Paul Menage
2007-04-03 16:10             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-03 15:41           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-02-12  9:18 ` [PATCH 0/7] containers (V7): Generic Process Containers Paul Jackson
2007-02-12  9:32   ` Paul Menage
2007-02-12  9:52     ` Paul Jackson
     [not found] ` <20070212085104.485337000@menage.corp.google.com>
2007-02-12 15:27   ` [PATCH 3/7] containers (V7): Add generic multi-subsystem API to containers Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-02-12 18:40     ` Paul Menage
2007-02-13 13:19       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-02-15  1:17         ` Paul Menage
2007-02-12 15:39   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-02-12 15:56     ` Cedric Le Goater
2007-02-12 18:31       ` Paul Menage
2007-02-14  8:49   ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-08 17:52   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-24 12:51   ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-02-12 22:38 ` [PATCH 0/7] containers (V7): Generic Process Containers Sam Vilain
2007-02-12 22:47   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-02-12 23:18     ` Paul Menage
2007-02-12 23:15   ` Paul Menage
2007-02-13  0:30     ` Sam Vilain
2007-02-13  0:42       ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Menage
2007-02-13  1:13         ` Sam Vilain
2007-02-13  1:47           ` Paul Menage
2007-02-20 17:34     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-20 17:55       ` Paul Menage
2007-02-20 19:29         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-20 22:47           ` Paul Menage
2007-02-20 23:08             ` Sam Vilain
2007-02-20 23:36               ` Paul Menage
2007-02-20 23:32             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-02-20 21:58         ` Sam Vilain
2007-02-20 22:19           ` Paul Menage
2007-02-20 22:58             ` Sam Vilain
2007-02-20 23:28               ` Paul Menage
2007-02-20 23:37               ` Serge E. Hallyn

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