From: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>,
Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>,
Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>, Zach Brown <zach.brown@oracle.com>,
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Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
Suparna Bhattacharya <suparna@in.ibm.com>,
Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: Syslets, Threadlets, generic AIO support, v6
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:41:29 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070531124129.31c14ddd.dada1@cosmosbay.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070531090252.GA29817@elte.hu>
On Thu, 31 May 2007 11:02:52 +0200
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
>
> * Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
>
> > it's both a flexibility and a speedup thing as well:
> >
> > flexibility: for libraries to be able to open files and keep them open
> > comes up regularly. For example currently glibc is quite wasteful in a
> > number of common networking related functions (Ulrich, please correct
> > me if i'm wrong), which could be optimized if glibc could just keep a
> > netlink channel fd open and could poll() it for changes and cache the
> > results if there are no changes (or something like that).
> >
> > speedup: i suggested O_ANY 6 years ago as a speedup to Apache -
> > non-linear fds are cheaper to allocate/map:
> >
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org/msg23820.html
> >
> > (i definitely remember having written code for that too, but i cannot
> > find that in the archives. hm.) In theory we could avoid _all_
> > fd-bitmap overhead as well and use a per-process list/pool of struct
> > file buffers plus a maximum-fd field as the 'non-linear fd allocator'
> > (at the price of only deallocating them at process exit time).
>
> to measure this i've written fd-scale-bench.c:
>
> http://redhat.com/~mingo/fd-scale-patches/fd-scale-bench.c
>
> which tests the (cache-hot or cache-cold) cost of open()-ing of two fds
> while there are N other fds already open: one is from the 'middle' of
> the range, one is from the end of it.
>
> Lets check our current 'extreme high end' performance with 1 million
> fds. (which is not realistic right now but there certainly are systems
> with over a hundred thousand open fds). Results from a fast CPU with 2MB
> of cache:
>
> cache-hot:
>
> # ./fd-scale-bench 1000000 0
> checking the cache-hot performance of open()-ing 1000000 fds.
> num_fds: 1, best cost: 1.40 us, worst cost: 2.00 us
> num_fds: 2, best cost: 1.40 us, worst cost: 1.40 us
> num_fds: 3, best cost: 1.40 us, worst cost: 2.00 us
> num_fds: 4, best cost: 1.40 us, worst cost: 1.40 us
> ...
> num_fds: 77117, best cost: 1.60 us, worst cost: 2.00 us
> num_fds: 96397, best cost: 2.00 us, worst cost: 2.20 us
> num_fds: 120497, best cost: 2.20 us, worst cost: 2.40 us
> num_fds: 150622, best cost: 2.20 us, worst cost: 3.00 us
> num_fds: 188278, best cost: 2.60 us, worst cost: 3.00 us
> num_fds: 235348, best cost: 2.80 us, worst cost: 3.80 us
> num_fds: 294186, best cost: 3.40 us, worst cost: 4.20 us
> num_fds: 367733, best cost: 4.00 us, worst cost: 5.00 us
> num_fds: 459667, best cost: 4.60 us, worst cost: 6.00 us
> num_fds: 574584, best cost: 5.60 us, worst cost: 8.20 us
> num_fds: 718231, best cost: 6.40 us, worst cost: 10.00 us
> num_fds: 897789, best cost: 7.60 us, worst cost: 11.80 us
> num_fds: 1000000, best cost: 8.20 us, worst cost: 9.60 us
>
> cache-cold:
>
> # ./fd-scale-bench 1000000 1
> checking the performance of open()-ing 1000000 fds.
> num_fds: 1, best cost: 4.60 us, worst cost: 7.00 us
> num_fds: 2, best cost: 5.00 us, worst cost: 6.60 us
> ...
> num_fds: 77117, best cost: 5.60 us, worst cost: 7.40 us
> num_fds: 96397, best cost: 5.60 us, worst cost: 7.40 us
> num_fds: 120497, best cost: 6.20 us, worst cost: 6.80 us
> num_fds: 150622, best cost: 6.40 us, worst cost: 7.60 us
> num_fds: 188278, best cost: 6.80 us, worst cost: 9.20 us
> num_fds: 235348, best cost: 7.20 us, worst cost: 8.80 us
> num_fds: 294186, best cost: 8.00 us, worst cost: 9.40 us
> num_fds: 367733, best cost: 8.80 us, worst cost: 11.60 us
> num_fds: 459667, best cost: 9.20 us, worst cost: 12.20 us
> num_fds: 574584, best cost: 10.00 us, worst cost: 12.40 us
> num_fds: 718231, best cost: 11.00 us, worst cost: 13.40 us
> num_fds: 897789, best cost: 12.80 us, worst cost: 15.80 us
> num_fds: 1000000, best cost: 13.60 us, worst cost: 15.40 us
>
> we are pretty good at the moment: the open() cost starts to increase at
> around 100K open fds, both in the cache-cold and cache-hot case. (that
> roughly corresponds to the fd bitmap falling out of the 32K L1 cache) At
> 1 million fds our fd bitmap has a size of 128K when there are 1 million
> fds open in a single process.
>
> so while it's certainly not 'urgent' to improve this, private fds are an
> easier target for optimizations in this area, because they dont have the
> continuity requirement anymore, so the fd bitmap is not a 'forced'
> property of them.
Your numbers do not match mines (mines were more than two years old so I redid a test before replying)
I tried your bench and found two problems :
- You scan half of the bitmap
- You incorrectlty divide best_delta and worst_delta by LOOPS (5)
Try to close not a 'middle fd', but a really low one (10 for example), and latencie is doubled.
with a corrected bench; cache-cold numbers are > 100 us on this Intel Pentium-M
num_fds: 1000000, best cost: 120.00 us, worst cost: 131.00 us
On an Opteron x86_64 machine, results are better :)
num_fds: 1000000, best cost: 28.00 us, worst cost: 106.00 us
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-05-31 10:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-05-29 21:27 Zach Brown
2007-05-29 21:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-29 22:49 ` Zach Brown
2007-05-29 22:16 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-29 23:09 ` Zach Brown
2007-05-29 23:20 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-30 1:11 ` Dave Jones
2007-05-30 17:08 ` Zach Brown
2007-05-30 7:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30 7:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30 7:31 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-30 8:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30 8:51 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-05-30 9:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30 15:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 15:39 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-30 19:40 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-30 19:55 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-30 20:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 20:21 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-30 20:31 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-30 20:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 21:53 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-30 21:31 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-30 21:16 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-30 21:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 21:47 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-30 22:06 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-30 21:48 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-30 22:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-31 6:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-31 7:35 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-31 9:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-31 9:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-31 10:41 ` Eric Dumazet [this message]
2007-05-31 10:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-31 9:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-31 9:34 ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-30 22:09 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-30 21:51 ` David M. Lloyd
2007-05-30 22:24 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-30 21:38 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-05-30 21:39 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-30 21:36 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-05-30 21:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 21:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 21:54 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-05-30 22:27 ` Matt Mackall
2007-05-30 22:38 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-30 8:32 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-05-30 8:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30 9:30 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-05-30 9:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-30 13:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30 13:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30 15:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 16:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-30 17:57 ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-30 19:05 ` Mark Lord
2007-05-30 19:10 ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-30 19:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 19:32 ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-30 20:07 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-30 20:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-30 20:46 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-30 19:52 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-05-30 7:40 ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-30 16:55 ` Zach Brown
2007-05-30 17:33 ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-31 8:15 Albert Cahalan
2007-05-31 9:50 ` Ingo Molnar
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