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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: david@lang.hm, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, "Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Jeremy Maitin-Shepard <jbms@cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH 0/2] Kexec jump: The first step to kexec base hibernation
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:31:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200707131731.36113.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707131035150.4865-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>

On Friday, 13 July 2007 16:37, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> 
> > > I missed this discussion. is this idea to suspend, write to disk, but 
> > > leave things in ram so that if you wakeup soon enough you have everything 
> > > for ram, but if you don't and the battery dies you can restore from disk?
> > > 
> > > if so I think it's a mistake to mix the two. it would be better to just 
> > > suspend to ram, and wake up once in a while to check the battery state and 
> > > when the battery gets low enough do the suspend to disk.
> > > 
> > > otherwise you end up mixing the requirements of the two types of suspend, 
> > > which is how things got so ugly in the first place.
> > 
> > Not necessarily.  If we don't put devices into low power states before creating
> > the image, that should work just fine (quiesce devices, create the image or
> > kexec the new kernel, reprobe devices, save the image, suspend to RAM,
> > resume from RAM, continue - or restore from the image if power failed in the
> > meantime).  Still, for this purpose, both kernels need to be able to handle the
> > same set of devices.
> 
> Why?
> 
> Suppose the kexec kernel can't handle some device.  The normal kernel 
> has already quiesced the device, so it will remain quiescent while the 
> kexec kernel runs and throughout the suspend.  When the regular kernel 
> regains control the device will be ready for use.  I don't see any 
> problem.

On an ACPI system the device may be in a power state that doesn't allow us to
enter S3 (in theory, that is).

Greetings,
Rafael


-- 
"Premature optimization is the root of all evil." - Donald Knuth

  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-13 15:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-11 15:30 Huang, Ying
2007-07-11 11:13 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-12 16:28   ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-12  8:54     ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-13 23:18       ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-12  0:22 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-12  5:48   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-12  6:43     ` david
2007-07-12 12:46       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-12 13:51         ` Mark Lord
2007-07-12 14:49           ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-12 15:35           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-12 16:03             ` Mark Lord
2007-07-12 16:35               ` Mark Lord
2007-07-12 20:05                 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-13  2:38                   ` Mark Lord
2007-07-12 16:09           ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2007-07-12 18:49           ` david
2007-07-12 18:42         ` david
2007-07-12 19:20           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-12 19:14             ` david
2007-07-12 19:45               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-12 17:09     ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-12 12:47       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-12 12:38   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-12 14:43   ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-12  7:03     ` david
2007-07-12 17:18       ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-12 10:10         ` david
2007-07-12 13:01           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-12 13:22             ` jimmy bahuleyan
2007-07-12 19:03             ` david
2007-07-12 13:55           ` Mark Lord
2007-07-12 19:05             ` david
2007-07-12 14:06           ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-12 12:53     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-12 18:57       ` david
2007-07-12 19:34         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-12 19:55           ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-12 20:45             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-13  3:12             ` david
2007-07-13  9:17               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-13  9:25                 ` david
2007-07-13 11:41                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-14  7:51                     ` david
2007-07-14  8:33                       ` david
2007-07-14  9:24                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-14 20:00                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-14 20:34                         ` david
2007-07-14 21:06                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-14 21:13                             ` david
2007-07-15 10:31                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-15 19:23                                 ` david
2007-07-15 22:59                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-15 23:22                                     ` david
2007-07-16 12:17                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-16 14:42                                         ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-16 15:40                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17  4:18                                             ` david
2007-07-17 11:46                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-14 21:34                         ` david
2007-07-15 10:39                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-15 19:33                             ` david
2007-07-15 23:11                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-15 23:33                                 ` david
2007-07-13  3:06           ` david
2007-07-13  5:42             ` Hibernating To Swap Considered Harmful Joseph Fannin
2007-07-13  5:57               ` david
2007-07-13  6:20                 ` Joseph Fannin
2007-07-13  6:27                   ` david
2007-07-13  7:15                     ` Joseph Fannin
2007-07-13 14:35                       ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-17  0:12                         ` Joseph Fannin
2007-07-17  5:44                           ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-17  6:28                             ` Joseph Fannin
2007-07-17  6:42                               ` david
2007-07-17  7:26                                 ` Joseph Fannin
2007-07-17  7:34                                   ` david
2007-07-17 11:54                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 11:52                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17  7:10                               ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-13  9:30               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-14  0:45                 ` Joseph Fannin
2007-07-14  9:48                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-16  5:37                     ` Joseph Fannin
2007-07-13  9:29             ` [PATCH 0/2] Kexec jump: The first step to kexec base hibernation Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-13  9:38               ` david
2007-07-13 11:59                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-13 14:37                   ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2007-07-13 15:31                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2007-07-14  7:13                     ` david
2007-07-13 15:12                   ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-13 15:45                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-13 15:50                       ` Alan Stern
2007-07-13 16:54                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-07-13 18:15                           ` Alan Stern
2007-07-13 21:08                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-13 20:55                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-13 16:48                       ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-13 21:23                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-14  7:12                   ` david
2007-07-13 17:32             ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-13 12:01               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-12 16:32     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-07-12 19:09       ` david
2007-07-12 19:49         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-07-13 23:15       ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-13 16:43         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-07-14  5:48           ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-14  9:59             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-14 10:55               ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-14 19:16                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-15  9:30                   ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-15 10:49                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-24 14:00                       ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-24 15:27                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17  8:13                     ` david
2007-07-17 11:59                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 12:48                       ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-17 14:22                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-18  0:25                           ` david

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