From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: david@lang.hm, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, "Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
Jeremy Maitin-Shepard <jbms@cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH 0/2] Kexec jump: The first step to kexec base hibernation
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:31:35 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200707131731.36113.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707131035150.4865-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
On Friday, 13 July 2007 16:37, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>
> > > I missed this discussion. is this idea to suspend, write to disk, but
> > > leave things in ram so that if you wakeup soon enough you have everything
> > > for ram, but if you don't and the battery dies you can restore from disk?
> > >
> > > if so I think it's a mistake to mix the two. it would be better to just
> > > suspend to ram, and wake up once in a while to check the battery state and
> > > when the battery gets low enough do the suspend to disk.
> > >
> > > otherwise you end up mixing the requirements of the two types of suspend,
> > > which is how things got so ugly in the first place.
> >
> > Not necessarily. If we don't put devices into low power states before creating
> > the image, that should work just fine (quiesce devices, create the image or
> > kexec the new kernel, reprobe devices, save the image, suspend to RAM,
> > resume from RAM, continue - or restore from the image if power failed in the
> > meantime). Still, for this purpose, both kernels need to be able to handle the
> > same set of devices.
>
> Why?
>
> Suppose the kexec kernel can't handle some device. The normal kernel
> has already quiesced the device, so it will remain quiescent while the
> kexec kernel runs and throughout the suspend. When the regular kernel
> regains control the device will be ready for use. I don't see any
> problem.
On an ACPI system the device may be in a power state that doesn't allow us to
enter S3 (in theory, that is).
Greetings,
Rafael
--
"Premature optimization is the root of all evil." - Donald Knuth
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-07-13 15:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-07-11 15:30 Huang, Ying
2007-07-11 11:13 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-12 16:28 ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-12 8:54 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-13 23:18 ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-12 0:22 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-12 5:48 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-12 6:43 ` david
2007-07-12 12:46 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-12 13:51 ` Mark Lord
2007-07-12 14:49 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-12 15:35 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-12 16:03 ` Mark Lord
2007-07-12 16:35 ` Mark Lord
2007-07-12 20:05 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-13 2:38 ` Mark Lord
2007-07-12 16:09 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2007-07-12 18:49 ` david
2007-07-12 18:42 ` david
2007-07-12 19:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-12 19:14 ` david
2007-07-12 19:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-12 17:09 ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-12 12:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-12 12:38 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-12 14:43 ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-12 7:03 ` david
2007-07-12 17:18 ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-12 10:10 ` david
2007-07-12 13:01 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-12 13:22 ` jimmy bahuleyan
2007-07-12 19:03 ` david
2007-07-12 13:55 ` Mark Lord
2007-07-12 19:05 ` david
2007-07-12 14:06 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-12 12:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-12 18:57 ` david
2007-07-12 19:34 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-12 19:55 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-12 20:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-13 3:12 ` david
2007-07-13 9:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-13 9:25 ` david
2007-07-13 11:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-14 7:51 ` david
2007-07-14 8:33 ` david
2007-07-14 9:24 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-14 20:00 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-14 20:34 ` david
2007-07-14 21:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-14 21:13 ` david
2007-07-15 10:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-15 19:23 ` david
2007-07-15 22:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-15 23:22 ` david
2007-07-16 12:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-16 14:42 ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-16 15:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 4:18 ` david
2007-07-17 11:46 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-14 21:34 ` david
2007-07-15 10:39 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-15 19:33 ` david
2007-07-15 23:11 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-15 23:33 ` david
2007-07-13 3:06 ` david
2007-07-13 5:42 ` Hibernating To Swap Considered Harmful Joseph Fannin
2007-07-13 5:57 ` david
2007-07-13 6:20 ` Joseph Fannin
2007-07-13 6:27 ` david
2007-07-13 7:15 ` Joseph Fannin
2007-07-13 14:35 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-17 0:12 ` Joseph Fannin
2007-07-17 5:44 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-17 6:28 ` Joseph Fannin
2007-07-17 6:42 ` david
2007-07-17 7:26 ` Joseph Fannin
2007-07-17 7:34 ` david
2007-07-17 11:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 11:52 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 7:10 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-13 9:30 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-14 0:45 ` Joseph Fannin
2007-07-14 9:48 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-16 5:37 ` Joseph Fannin
2007-07-13 9:29 ` [PATCH 0/2] Kexec jump: The first step to kexec base hibernation Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-13 9:38 ` david
2007-07-13 11:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-13 14:37 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2007-07-13 15:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2007-07-14 7:13 ` david
2007-07-13 15:12 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-13 15:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-13 15:50 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-13 16:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-07-13 18:15 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-13 21:08 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-13 20:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-13 16:48 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-13 21:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-14 7:12 ` david
2007-07-13 17:32 ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-13 12:01 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-12 16:32 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-07-12 19:09 ` david
2007-07-12 19:49 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-07-13 23:15 ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-13 16:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-07-14 5:48 ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-14 9:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-14 10:55 ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-14 19:16 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-15 9:30 ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-15 10:49 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-24 14:00 ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-24 15:27 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 8:13 ` david
2007-07-17 11:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 12:48 ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-17 14:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-18 0:25 ` david
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