From: Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>
To: Daniel Phillips <phillips@phunq.net>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: Distributed storage.
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 20:37:40 +0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070804163740.GB14175@2ka.mipt.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200708031819.17039.phillips@phunq.net>
On Fri, Aug 03, 2007 at 06:19:16PM -0700, Daniel Phillips (phillips@phunq.net) wrote:
> It depends on the characteristics of the physical and virtual block
> devices involved. Slow block devices can produce surprising effects.
> Ddsnap still qualifies as "slow" under certain circumstances (big
> linear write immediately following a new snapshot). Before we added
> throttling we would see as many as 800,000 bios in flight. Nice to
Mmm, sounds tasty to work with such a system :)
> know the system can actually survive this... mostly. But memory
> deadlock is a clear and present danger under those conditions and we
> did hit it (not to mention that read latency sucked beyond belief).
>
> Anyway, we added a simple counting semaphore to throttle the bio traffic
> to a reasonable number and behavior became much nicer, but most
> importantly, this satisfies one of the primary requirements for
> avoiding block device memory deadlock: a strictly bounded amount of bio
> traffic in flight. In fact, we allow some bounded number of
> non-memalloc bios *plus* however much traffic the mm wants to throw at
> us in memalloc mode, on the assumption that the mm knows what it is
> doing and imposes its own bound of in flight bios per device. This
> needs auditing obviously, but the mm either does that or is buggy. In
> practice, with this throttling in place we never saw more than 2,000 in
> flight no matter how hard we hit it, which is about the number we were
> aiming at. Since we draw our reserve from the main memalloc pool, we
> can easily handle 2,000 bios in flight, even under extreme conditions.
>
> See:
> http://zumastor.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ddsnap/kernel/dm-ddsnap.c
> down(&info->throttle_sem);
>
> To be sure, I am not very proud of this throttling mechanism for various
> reasons, but the thing is, _any_ throttling mechanism no matter how
> sucky solves the deadlock problem. Over time I want to move the
make_request_fn is always called in process context, we can wait in it
for memory in mempool. Although that means we already in trouble.
I agree, any kind of high-boundary leveling must be implemented in
device itself, since block layer does not know what device is at the end
and what it will need to process given block request.
--
Evgeniy Polyakov
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-08-04 16:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-07-31 17:13 Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-02 21:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-03 10:26 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-03 10:57 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-03 12:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 13:49 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-03 14:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 19:48 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-03 19:41 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-04 1:19 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-04 16:37 ` Evgeniy Polyakov [this message]
2007-08-05 8:04 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-05 15:08 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-05 21:23 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 8:25 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-07 12:05 ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-07 18:24 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-07 20:55 ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-08 9:54 ` Block device throttling [Re: Distributed storage.] Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-08 10:17 ` [1/1] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-08 13:28 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-12 23:16 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 8:18 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-27 21:57 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-28 9:35 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-28 17:27 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-28 17:54 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-28 21:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-29 8:53 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-30 23:20 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-31 17:33 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-31 21:41 ` Alasdair G Kergon
2007-09-02 4:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 5:22 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 5:36 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 6:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 8:14 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 11:04 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 12:04 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 12:18 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 12:24 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 8:23 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 11:18 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 12:18 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 13:04 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-14 8:46 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-14 11:13 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-14 11:30 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-14 11:35 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-14 11:50 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-14 12:32 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-14 12:46 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-14 12:54 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-12 23:36 ` Distributed storage Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 7:28 ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13 7:45 ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13 9:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 9:13 ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13 9:55 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 10:06 ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13 10:15 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 10:22 ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13 10:32 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 9:18 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 10:12 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 11:03 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 11:45 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 8:59 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 9:12 ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13 23:27 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-03 4:09 ` Mike Snitzer
2007-08-03 10:42 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-04 0:49 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-03 5:04 ` Manu Abraham
2007-08-03 10:44 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-04 2:51 ` Dave Dillow
2007-08-04 3:44 ` Manu Abraham
2007-08-04 17:03 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-28 17:19 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-04 0:41 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-04 16:44 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-05 8:06 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-05 15:01 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-05 21:35 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 8:28 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-08-27 16:07 Distributed STorage Evgeniy Polyakov
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