From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@phunq.net>
To: Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>
Cc: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: Block device throttling [Re: Distributed storage.]
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 05:18:14 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200708130518.14974.phillips@phunq.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070813120417.GA5992@2ka.mipt.ru>
On Monday 13 August 2007 05:04, Evgeniy Polyakov wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2007 at 04:04:26AM -0700, Daniel Phillips
(phillips@phunq.net) wrote:
> > On Monday 13 August 2007 01:14, Evgeniy Polyakov wrote:
> > > > Oops, and there is also:
> > > >
> > > > 3) The bio throttle, which is supposed to prevent deadlock, can
> > > > itself deadlock. Let me see if I can remember how it goes.
> > > >
> > > > * generic_make_request puts a bio in flight
> > > > * the bio gets past the throttle and initiates network IO
> > > > * net calls sk_alloc->alloc_pages->shrink_caches
> > > > * shrink_caches submits a bio recursively to our block device
> > > > * this bio blocks on the throttle
> > > > * net may never get the memory it needs, and we are wedged
> > >
> > > If system is in such condition, it is already broken - throttle
> > > limit must be lowered (next time) not to allow such situation.
> >
> > Agreed that the system is broken, however lowering the throttle
> > limit gives no improvement in this case.
>
> How is it ever possible? The whole idea of throttling is to remove
> such situation, and now you say it can not be solved.
It was solved, by not throttling writeout that comes from shrink_caches.
Ugly.
> If limit is for
> 1gb of pending block io, and system has for example 2gbs of ram (or
> any other resonable parameters), then there is no way we can deadlock
> in allocation, since it will not force page reclaim mechanism.
The problem is that sk_alloc (called from our block driver via
socket->write) would recurse into shrink_pages, which recursively
submits IO to our block driver and blocks on the throttle. Subtle
indeed, and yet another demonstration of why vm recursion is a Bad
Thing.
I will find a traceback for you tomorrow, which makes this deadlock much
clearer.
Regards
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-08-13 14:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-07-31 17:13 Distributed storage Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-02 21:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-03 10:26 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-03 10:57 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-03 12:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 13:49 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-03 14:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 19:48 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-03 19:41 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-04 1:19 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-04 16:37 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-05 8:04 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-05 15:08 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-05 21:23 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 8:25 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-07 12:05 ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-07 18:24 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-07 20:55 ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-08 9:54 ` Block device throttling [Re: Distributed storage.] Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-08 10:17 ` [1/1] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-08 13:28 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-12 23:16 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 8:18 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-27 21:57 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-28 9:35 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-28 17:27 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-28 17:54 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-28 21:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-29 8:53 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-30 23:20 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-31 17:33 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-31 21:41 ` Alasdair G Kergon
2007-09-02 4:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 5:22 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 5:36 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 6:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 8:14 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 11:04 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 12:04 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 12:18 ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2007-08-13 12:24 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 8:23 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 11:18 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 12:18 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 13:04 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-14 8:46 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-14 11:13 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-14 11:30 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-14 11:35 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-14 11:50 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-14 12:32 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-14 12:46 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-14 12:54 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-12 23:36 ` Distributed storage Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 7:28 ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13 7:45 ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13 9:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 9:13 ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13 9:55 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 10:06 ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13 10:15 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 10:22 ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13 10:32 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 9:18 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 10:12 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 11:03 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 11:45 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 8:59 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 9:12 ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13 23:27 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-03 4:09 ` Mike Snitzer
2007-08-03 10:42 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-04 0:49 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-03 5:04 ` Manu Abraham
2007-08-03 10:44 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-04 2:51 ` Dave Dillow
2007-08-04 3:44 ` Manu Abraham
2007-08-04 17:03 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-28 17:19 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-04 0:41 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-04 16:44 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-05 8:06 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-05 15:01 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-05 21:35 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 8:28 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
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