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From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@phunq.net>
To: Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>
Cc: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: Block device throttling [Re: Distributed storage.]
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 05:18:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200708130518.14974.phillips@phunq.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070813120417.GA5992@2ka.mipt.ru>

On Monday 13 August 2007 05:04, Evgeniy Polyakov wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2007 at 04:04:26AM -0700, Daniel Phillips 
(phillips@phunq.net) wrote:
> > On Monday 13 August 2007 01:14, Evgeniy Polyakov wrote:
> > > > Oops, and there is also:
> > > >
> > > > 3) The bio throttle, which is supposed to prevent deadlock, can
> > > > itself deadlock.  Let me see if I can remember how it goes.
> > > >
> > > >   * generic_make_request puts a bio in flight
> > > >   * the bio gets past the throttle and initiates network IO
> > > >   * net calls sk_alloc->alloc_pages->shrink_caches
> > > >   * shrink_caches submits a bio recursively to our block device
> > > >   * this bio blocks on the throttle
> > > >   * net may never get the memory it needs, and we are wedged
> > >
> > > If system is in such condition, it is already broken - throttle
> > > limit must be lowered (next time) not to allow such situation.
> >
> > Agreed that the system is broken, however lowering the throttle
> > limit gives no improvement in this case.
>
> How is it ever possible? The whole idea of throttling is to remove
> such situation, and now you say it can not be solved.

It was solved, by not throttling writeout that comes from shrink_caches.
Ugly.

> If limit is for 
> 1gb of pending block io, and system has for example 2gbs of ram (or
> any other resonable parameters), then there is no way we can deadlock
> in allocation, since it will not force page reclaim mechanism.

The problem is that sk_alloc (called from our block driver via 
socket->write) would recurse into shrink_pages, which recursively 
submits IO to our block driver and blocks on the throttle.  Subtle 
indeed, and yet another demonstration of why vm recursion is a Bad 
Thing.

I will find a traceback for you tomorrow, which makes this deadlock much 
clearer.

Regards

  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-13 14:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-31 17:13 Distributed storage Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-02 21:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-03 10:26   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-03 10:57     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-03 12:27       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 13:49         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-03 14:53           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 19:48             ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-03 19:41           ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-04  1:19     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-04 16:37       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-05  8:04         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-05 15:08           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-05 21:23             ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06  8:25               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-07 12:05               ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-07 18:24                 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-07 20:55                   ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-08  9:54                     ` Block device throttling [Re: Distributed storage.] Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-08 10:17                       ` [1/1] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-08 13:28                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-12 23:16                         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  8:18                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-27 21:57                         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-28  9:35                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-28 17:27                             ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-28 17:54                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-28 21:08                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-29  8:53                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-30 23:20                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-31 17:33                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-31 21:41                                       ` Alasdair G Kergon
2007-09-02  4:42                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  5:22                       ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  5:36                       ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  6:44                         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  8:14                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 11:04                             ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 12:04                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 12:18                                 ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2007-08-13 12:24                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13  8:23                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 11:18                           ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 12:18                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 13:04                               ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-14  8:46                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-14 11:13                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-14 11:30                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-14 11:35                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-14 11:50                                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-14 12:32                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-14 12:46                                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-14 12:54                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-12 23:36                     ` Distributed storage Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  7:28                       ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13  7:45                         ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13  9:08                           ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  9:13                             ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13  9:55                               ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 10:06                                 ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13 10:15                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 10:22                                     ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13 10:32                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  9:18                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 10:12                               ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 11:03                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 11:45                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  8:59                         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  9:12                           ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13 23:27                             ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-03  4:09 ` Mike Snitzer
2007-08-03 10:42   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-04  0:49   ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-03  5:04 ` Manu Abraham
2007-08-03 10:44   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-04  2:51   ` Dave Dillow
2007-08-04  3:44     ` Manu Abraham
2007-08-04 17:03   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-28 17:19   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-04  0:41 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-04 16:44   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-05  8:06     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-05 15:01       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-05 21:35         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06  8:28           ` Evgeniy Polyakov

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