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From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
To: Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@computergmbh.de>
Cc: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	Giacomo Catenazzi <cate@debian.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andreas Gruenbacher <agruen@suse.de>,
	Thomas Fricaccia <thomas_fricacci@yahoo.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>
Subject: Re: LSM conversion to static interface
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:34:09 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071023153409.GA14215@vino.hallyn.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0710231725550.16684@fbirervta.pbzchgretzou.qr>

Quoting Jan Engelhardt (jengelh@computergmbh.de):
> 
> On Oct 23 2007 10:20, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> >
> >Once the per-process capability bounding set is accepted
> >(http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/10/3/315) you will be able to do something
> >like:
> >
> >	1. Create user 'jdoe' with uid 0
> 
> UID 0 is _not_ acceptable for me.

I'm aware.

> >	2. write a pam module which, when jdoe logs in, takes
> >	   CAP_NET_ADMIN out of his capability bounding set
> >	3. Now jdoe can log in with the kind of capabilities subset
> >	   you describe.
> 
> It is not that easy.
> CAP_DAC_OVERRIDE is given to the subadmin to bypass the pre-security
> checks in kernel code, and then the detailed implementation of
> limitation is done inside multiadm.

You mean the read/write split?

> This is not just raising or lowering capabilities.

Nope, but it's related, and as I pointed out below it fits in pretty
nicely.

> >It's not a perfect solution, since it doesn't allow jdoe any way at all
> >to directly execute a file with more caps (setuid and file capabilities
> >are subject to the capbound).  So there is certainly still a place for
> >multiadm.
> 
> A normal user can execute suid binaries today, and so can s/he with mtadm.
> I do not see where that will change - it does not need any caps atm.

And he will still be able to *run* the suid binary, but if cap_bound is
reduced he won't be able to use capabilities taken out of the bounding
set, multiadm loaded or not.

-serge

  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-23 15:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <167451.96128.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
2007-10-18  2:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-19 20:26   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-10-19 20:40     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-20 11:05       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-20 22:57         ` James Morris
2007-10-21 22:59           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-23  4:09           ` LSM conversion to static interface [revert patch] Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-23  4:56             ` James Morris
2007-10-23  4:57               ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-23  5:16             ` Chris Wright
2007-10-23  9:10               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-23  9:13                 ` Chris Wright
2007-10-23  9:14                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24  0:31               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-24  0:32                 ` Chris Wright
2007-10-24  5:06                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-24 11:50                   ` Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface Simon Arlott
2007-10-24 12:55                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-24 18:11                       ` Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface) Simon Arlott
2007-10-24 18:51                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24 18:59                           ` Simon Arlott
2007-10-24 19:04                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24 21:02                               ` David P. Quigley
2007-10-24 21:37                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-10-24 21:51                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24 22:02                                     ` David P. Quigley
2007-10-24 23:13                                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-25  1:50                                   ` david
2007-10-25  3:50                                   ` Kyle Moffett
2007-10-24 21:42                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24 21:58                                 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-24 22:04                                   ` David P. Quigley
2007-10-25 11:38                                 ` Simon Arlott
2007-10-24 20:18                           ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-24 20:46                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24 21:29                               ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-24 22:31                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-24 22:58                           ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-24 23:32                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-24 23:42                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-25  0:41                                 ` Chris Wright
2007-10-25  2:19                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-30  3:37                                   ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-10-25  1:03                                 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-25  0:23                             ` Chris Wright
2007-10-25  0:35                               ` Ray Lee
2007-10-25  1:26                                 ` Peter Dolding
2007-10-25  1:41                                 ` Alan Cox
2007-10-25  2:11                                   ` david
2007-10-25 18:17                                   ` Ray Lee
2007-10-25 22:21                                     ` Alan Cox
2007-10-26  3:45                                       ` david
2007-10-26  5:44                                         ` Peter Dolding
2007-10-27 18:29                                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-10-28 18:48                                       ` Hua Zhong
2007-10-28 19:05                                       ` Hua Zhong
2007-10-28 22:08                                   ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-28 22:50                                     ` Alan Cox
2007-11-26 20:42                                       ` serge
2007-10-28 23:55                                     ` Peter Dolding
2007-10-29  5:12                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-25  9:19                                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-10-25 16:04                                   ` Ray Lee
2007-10-25 17:10                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-30  9:41                                     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-10-25  1:42                               ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-27 18:22                                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-10-28 19:42                                   ` Linux Security *Module* Framework Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-28 20:46                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-30  3:23                                 ` Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface) Toshiharu Harada
2007-10-30  8:40                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-30  8:50                                     ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-30  9:27                                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-30  9:21                                     ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-10-25 11:44                           ` Simon Arlott
2007-10-25 23:09                           ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-26  2:56                             ` Greg KH
2007-10-26  7:09                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-26 15:54                                 ` Greg KH
2007-10-26  9:46                               ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-26 15:58                                 ` Greg KH
2007-10-26 16:32                                   ` Simon Arlott
2007-10-27 14:07                                   ` eradicating out of tree modules (was: Linux Security *Module* Framework) Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-28  1:21                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-26 23:26                                 ` Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface) Adrian Bunk
2007-10-27 14:47                                   ` eradicating out of tree modules (was: : Linux Security *Module* Framework) Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-27 17:31                                     ` eradicating out of tree modules Stefan Richter
2007-10-28  0:55                                     ` eradicating out of tree modules (was: : Linux Security *Module* Framework) Adrian Bunk
2007-10-28  9:25                                       ` eradicating out of tree modules Stefan Richter
2007-10-28 12:01                                         ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-28 14:37                                           ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-28 14:59                                             ` Simon Arlott
2007-10-28 16:55                                             ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-28 18:51                                       ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-28 19:25                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-30  0:29                                           ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-30 13:11                                             ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-10-30 13:19                                               ` Xavier Bestel
2007-10-30 15:30                                               ` Greg KH
2007-10-29 23:51                               ` Out-of-tree modules [was: Linux Security *Module* Framework] Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-30  0:46                                 ` Lee Revell
2007-10-30  1:19                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-27 14:08                     ` Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface Tetsuo Handa
2007-11-05  6:42                       ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-23  9:13           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-23  5:44         ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2007-10-23  8:55           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-23  9:14             ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2007-10-23  9:18               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-23 15:20             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-10-23 15:28               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-23 15:34                 ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
2007-10-25 10:23                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-10-19 21:07     ` James Morris
2007-10-22  1:12   ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-25 11:33 Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-26 10:40 ` Samir Bellabes
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-10-22 17:00 Thomas Fricaccia
2007-10-22 17:12 ` Alan Cox
2007-10-22 17:13 ` Greg KH
2007-10-23  5:14   ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-23  5:32     ` david
2007-10-23 11:38   ` Simon Arlott
2007-10-23  5:53 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2007-10-23  7:12   ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-23  8:17     ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2007-10-24  3:41     ` Greg KH
2007-10-22  2:24 Thomas Fricaccia
2007-10-22  3:59 ` Greg KH
2007-10-22 17:47   ` Avi Kivity
2007-10-23 16:05     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-23 16:52   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-10-22 10:07 ` Alan Cox
2007-10-22 16:10   ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-22 16:50     ` Alan Cox
2007-10-22 16:56       ` Greg KH
2007-10-18  1:34 Thomas Fricaccia
2007-10-18  2:03 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-18  2:21   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-18  3:06 ` Arjan van de Ven

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