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From: Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>
To: Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>
Cc: Tilman Schmidt <tilman@imap.cc>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	Simon Arlott <simon@fire.lp0.eu>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@computergmbh.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andreas Gruenbacher <agruen@suse.de>,
	Thomas Fricaccia <thomas_fricacci@yahoo.com>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	Crispin Cowan <crispin@crispincowan.com>,
	Giacomo Catenazzi <cate@debian.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Subject: Re: eradicating out of tree modules
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 10:25:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4724557C.6000408@s5r6.in-berlin.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071028005555.GC23339@stusta.de>

Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 27, 2007 at 04:47:15PM +0200, Tilman Schmidt wrote:
>> There is a big difference between "not doing anything to help"
>> and "actively doing something to make life difficult for". The
>> former is undoubtedly legitimate. It's the latter we're
>> discussing here.
> 
> Justifying anything with code with not GPL compatible licences has zero 
> relevance here.
> 
> And there's value in making life harder for such modules with 
> questionable legality. As an example,
[...]

You two are hypothesizing.

  - We (most of us) change APIs to improve the kernel.

  - We (most of us) contribute to the kernel as a program for people to
    run, not as a library for other projects to develop different or
    extended kernels¹ on top of it.

Actually, by providing the code under GPL, full read access to the SCM
for everybody, and public development mailinglists, we make life for
external projects who do their own drivers and kernels as easy as these
unconnected projects could wish for.²

-----
¹) Even distributors of Linux kernel packages are encouraged to stay
close to mainline and to feed their changes into mainline, IOW to take
part in the Linux kernel project.

²) Of course if such projects chose to become part of the Linux kernel
project, they would get to enjoy additional bonuses as outlined at the
end of stable_api_nonsense.txt.  Sure, becoming part of the project
involves to cooperate, and not everybody wants or can afford to do so.
-- 
Stefan Richter
-=====-=-=== =-=- ===--
http://arcgraph.de/sr/

  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-28  9:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <167451.96128.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
2007-10-18  2:18 ` LSM conversion to static interface Linus Torvalds
2007-10-19 20:26   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-10-19 20:40     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-20 11:05       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-20 22:57         ` James Morris
2007-10-21 22:59           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-23  4:09           ` LSM conversion to static interface [revert patch] Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-23  4:56             ` James Morris
2007-10-23  4:57               ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-23  5:16             ` Chris Wright
2007-10-23  9:10               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-23  9:13                 ` Chris Wright
2007-10-23  9:14                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24  0:31               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-24  0:32                 ` Chris Wright
2007-10-24  5:06                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-24 11:50                   ` Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface Simon Arlott
2007-10-24 12:55                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-24 18:11                       ` Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface) Simon Arlott
2007-10-24 18:51                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24 18:59                           ` Simon Arlott
2007-10-24 19:04                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24 21:02                               ` David P. Quigley
2007-10-24 21:37                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-10-24 21:51                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24 22:02                                     ` David P. Quigley
2007-10-24 23:13                                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-25  1:50                                   ` david
2007-10-25  3:50                                   ` Kyle Moffett
2007-10-24 21:42                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24 21:58                                 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-24 22:04                                   ` David P. Quigley
2007-10-25 11:38                                 ` Simon Arlott
2007-10-24 20:18                           ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-24 20:46                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24 21:29                               ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-24 22:31                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-24 22:58                           ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-24 23:32                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-24 23:42                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-25  0:41                                 ` Chris Wright
2007-10-25  2:19                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-30  3:37                                   ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-10-25  1:03                                 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-25  0:23                             ` Chris Wright
2007-10-25  0:35                               ` Ray Lee
2007-10-25  1:26                                 ` Peter Dolding
2007-10-25  1:41                                 ` Alan Cox
2007-10-25  2:11                                   ` david
2007-10-25 18:17                                   ` Ray Lee
2007-10-25 22:21                                     ` Alan Cox
2007-10-26  3:45                                       ` david
2007-10-26  5:44                                         ` Peter Dolding
2007-10-27 18:29                                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-10-28 18:48                                       ` Hua Zhong
2007-10-28 19:05                                       ` Hua Zhong
2007-10-28 22:08                                   ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-28 22:50                                     ` Alan Cox
2007-11-26 20:42                                       ` serge
2007-10-28 23:55                                     ` Peter Dolding
2007-10-29  5:12                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-25  9:19                                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-10-25 16:04                                   ` Ray Lee
2007-10-25 17:10                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-30  9:41                                     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-10-25  1:42                               ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-27 18:22                                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-10-28 19:42                                   ` Linux Security *Module* Framework Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-28 20:46                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-30  3:23                                 ` Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface) Toshiharu Harada
2007-10-30  8:40                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-30  8:50                                     ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-30  9:27                                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-30  9:21                                     ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-10-25 11:44                           ` Simon Arlott
2007-10-25 23:09                           ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-26  2:56                             ` Greg KH
2007-10-26  7:09                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-26 15:54                                 ` Greg KH
2007-10-26  9:46                               ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-26 15:58                                 ` Greg KH
2007-10-26 16:32                                   ` Simon Arlott
2007-10-27 14:07                                   ` eradicating out of tree modules (was: Linux Security *Module* Framework) Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-28  1:21                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-26 23:26                                 ` Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface) Adrian Bunk
2007-10-27 14:47                                   ` eradicating out of tree modules (was: : Linux Security *Module* Framework) Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-27 17:31                                     ` eradicating out of tree modules Stefan Richter
2007-10-28  0:55                                     ` eradicating out of tree modules (was: : Linux Security *Module* Framework) Adrian Bunk
2007-10-28  9:25                                       ` Stefan Richter [this message]
2007-10-28 12:01                                         ` eradicating out of tree modules Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-28 14:37                                           ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-28 14:59                                             ` Simon Arlott
2007-10-28 16:55                                             ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-28 18:51                                       ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-28 19:25                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-30  0:29                                           ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-30 13:11                                             ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-10-30 13:19                                               ` Xavier Bestel
2007-10-30 15:30                                               ` Greg KH
2007-10-29 23:51                               ` Out-of-tree modules [was: Linux Security *Module* Framework] Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-30  0:46                                 ` Lee Revell
2007-10-30  1:19                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-27 14:08                     ` Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface Tetsuo Handa
2007-11-05  6:42                       ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-23  9:13           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-23  5:44         ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2007-10-23  8:55           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-23  9:14             ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2007-10-23  9:18               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-23 15:20             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-10-23 15:28               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-23 15:34                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-10-25 10:23                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-10-19 21:07     ` James Morris
2007-10-22  1:12   ` Crispin Cowan

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