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From: Pierre Ossman <drzeus-mmc@drzeus.cx>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	pm list <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Zdenek Kabelac <zdenek.kabelac@gmail.com>,
	David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>,
	Kernel development list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Bugs in MMC [was: [Bug 10030] Suspend doesn't work when SD card is inserted]
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:41:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080225184102.0a2e2bb5@mjolnir.drzeus.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0802240941440.29504-100000@netrider.rowland.org>

On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:33:34 -0500 (EST)
Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote:

> 
> Well, the patch itself isn't really adequate; it was just a first pass 
> intended to illustrate the nature of the problem.
> 
> The problems in the MMC subsystem go deeper.
> 
> The first is the way it uses flush_workqueue().  This is almost always 
> a bad function to call, because it introduces unnecessary dependencies.  
> cancel_delayed_work_sync() is much better.
> 
> But even changing that won't solve the second issue, which is a genuine
> bug.  There is a race between detect events and suspend events.  The
> mmc_suspend_host() routine starts out by flushing the kmmcd workqueue
> before calling the host's suspend routine.  So what happens if another
> detect event occurs in between?
> 

The idea is that host drivers shouldn't do that. Once they've called
mmc_suspend_host(), then they shouldn't be poking the MMC core in any
other way. None of this is of course properly documented. :/

> This whole area of synchronization between card insertion, card
> removal, suspend, and resume needs to be thought out better.  
> Especially keeping in mind that device registration or unregistration
> during a system sleep is likely to block until the sleep is over.

Trying to keep up with the PM changes is a full time job. For now I've
mostly ignored it as I don't even have time for the other stuff.
Patches welcome.

> 
> Lastly, there are some other questions about confusing aspects of the
> subsystem.  What's the story with __mmc_claim_host()?  Is it really
> nothing more than an abortable mutex_lock()?  Why does it ever need to
> be aborted?  Why is its second argument an atomic_t instead of a normal
> int?
> 

It got that way when SDIO got in. It was needed to make it abortable to
solve a rather nasty deadlock situation. I don't remember the details
right now, but it should be in the LKML archives.

> Why are mmc_detect() and related routines described in comments as
> "Card detection callback from host"?  They don't handle card
> _detection_ -- they handle card _removal_.

They handle both.

> 
> What's the purpose of the card-counting loop in 
> host/omap.c:mmc_omap_switch_handler()?  It looks like dead code.
> 

I'm not too familiar with that driver, but they've been playing around
with multiplexing several cards into one controller. Might be bits and
pieces of that.

Rgds
-- 
     -- Pierre Ossman

  Linux kernel, MMC maintainer        http://www.kernel.org
  PulseAudio, core developer          http://pulseaudio.org
  rdesktop, core developer          http://www.rdesktop.org

  reply	other threads:[~2008-02-25 17:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20080219232338.E9A24108068@picon.linux-foundation.org>
2008-02-20 16:42 ` [Bug 10030] Suspend doesn't work when SD card is inserted Alan Stern
2008-02-20 17:30   ` Pierre Ossman
2008-02-20 19:26     ` Alan Stern
2008-02-20 20:51       ` Pierre Ossman
2008-02-20 20:58         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-20 21:06         ` Alan Stern
2008-02-20 22:15           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-20 22:24             ` Alan Stern
2008-02-20 22:41               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-21  0:02               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-21 16:27                 ` Alan Stern
2008-02-21 16:38                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-21 17:48                     ` Alan Stern
2008-02-21 22:47                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-21 23:05                         ` Alan Stern
2008-02-23  1:30                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-23  4:39                             ` Alan Stern
2008-02-23 20:16                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-23 23:29                                 ` Alan Stern
2008-02-24  0:19                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-24  3:25                                     ` Alan Stern
2008-02-24  4:26                                       ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2008-02-24 14:00                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-24 15:33                                           ` Bugs in MMC [was: [Bug 10030] Suspend doesn't work when SD card is inserted] Alan Stern
2008-02-25 17:41                                             ` Pierre Ossman [this message]
2008-02-25 17:58                                               ` Alan Stern
2008-02-25 18:31                                                 ` Pierre Ossman
2008-02-25 20:00                                                   ` Alan Stern
2008-03-01 14:11                                                     ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-01 14:36                                                       ` Alan Stern
2008-03-01 14:47                                                         ` Pierre Ossman
2008-02-25 22:51                                               ` Felipe Balbi
2008-03-03 21:59                                               ` David Brownell
2008-03-04  6:03                                                 ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-04  9:44                                                   ` David Brownell
2008-03-04  9:58                                                     ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-06 21:23                                                       ` David Brownell
2008-03-04 17:53                                                     ` Alan Stern
2008-03-04 18:53                                                       ` David Brownell
2008-03-04 19:51                                                         ` Alan Stern
2008-03-04 20:30                                                           ` David Brownell
2008-03-04 21:00                                                             ` Alan Stern
2008-03-06 15:55                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-06 20:33                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2008-03-06 20:53                                                                   ` Zdenek Kabelac
2008-03-06 21:31                                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-03-04 17:50                                                 ` Alan Stern
2008-02-24 13:33                                       ` [Bug 10030] Suspend doesn't work when SD card is inserted Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-24 20:25                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-24 20:45                                           ` Alan Stern
2008-02-24 20:56                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-24 21:11                                               ` Alan Stern
2008-02-24 22:18                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-24 13:51                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-24 19:27                                         ` Alan Stern
2008-02-24 19:42                                           ` Zdenek Kabelac
2008-02-24 20:09                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-24 18:21                                       ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-24 19:03                                         ` Alan Stern
2008-02-24 20:11                                           ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-24 20:33                                             ` Alan Stern
2008-02-24 21:42                                               ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-24 22:21                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-25  2:21                                                   ` Alan Stern
2008-02-25 11:41                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                                                       ` <c4e36d110802250402q7312a488idf752e07db7504e8@mail.gmail.com>
2008-02-25 12:31                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-25  2:19                                                 ` Alan Stern
2008-02-25  9:03                                                   ` using long instead of atomic_t when only set/read is required (was Re: [Bug 10030] Suspend doesn't work when SD card is inserted) Pavel Machek
2008-02-25 14:46                                                     ` Alan Stern
2008-03-03 12:08                                                       ` [patch] Re: using long instead of atomic_t when only set/read is required Pavel Machek
2008-03-03 15:42                                                         ` Alan Stern
2008-03-03 15:53                                                           ` Alan Cox
2008-03-03 17:11                                                             ` Alan Stern
2008-03-03 17:26                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-03-03 17:44                                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-03 19:27                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2008-03-06 15:58                                                                 ` Mark Lord
2008-03-06 16:11                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-03-06 16:27                                                                     ` Mark Lord
2008-03-03 17:16                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 17:31                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-03-03 17:33                                                               ` Alan Cox
2008-03-03 17:22                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-03-03 15:48                                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-03-03 17:24                                                           ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-03 20:27                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-03-03 21:12                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-03-03 22:23                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-03-04 23:32                                                             ` Peter Hartley
2008-03-04 23:54                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-03-05  0:26                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-02-25 11:40                                                   ` [Bug 10030] Suspend doesn't work when SD card is inserted Rafael J. Wysocki

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