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From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>
Cc: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>,
	paul.moore@hp.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, takedakn@nttdata.co.jp,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	crispin@crispincowan.com
Subject: Re: [TOMOYO #7 30/30] Hooks for SAKURA and TOMOYO.
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 11:36:58 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080413163658.GC7010@sergelap.austin.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080411143013.GB11962@parisc-linux.org>

Quoting Matthew Wilcox (matthew@wil.cx):
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 11:12:27PM +0900, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> > Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > > When the rule is put in place, say "No modifications to /etc/passwd",
> > > look up the inode and major:minor of /etc/passwd.  If there's a rename,
> > > look up the new inode number.  If it's mounted elsewhere, it doesn't
> > > matter, they still can't modify it because it has the same
> > > major:minor:inode.
> > 
> > If write access is denied because of a rule "No modifications to /etc/passwd",
> > a rule "Allow modifications to /tmp/passwd" can no longer be enforced after
> > "mount --bind /etc/ /tmp/" or "mount --bind /etc/passwd /tmp/passwd" or
> > "mv /etc/passwd /tmp/passwd" or "ln /etc/passwd /tmp/passwd" is done.
> 
> That's a fundamental limitation of pathname-based security though.
> If the same file exists in two places, you have to resolve the question
> of which rule overrides the other.

In the past, Crispin has given clear, concise explanations of a few of
the things pathname based access control in fact excels at.  Crispin,
can you recite those again so we can think constructively about which
(if any) of the currently considered options are or are not sufficient?

I.e. what would be a motivation for a rule like 'no modifications to
/etc/passwd', and what precisely would and would not be accepted ways to
get around it (and why)?

thanks,
-serge

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-04-13 16:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-04 12:22 [TOMOYO #7 00/30] TOMOYO Linux 1.6.0 released Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 12:22 ` [TOMOYO #7 01/30] TOMOYO Linux documentation Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 12:22 ` [TOMOYO #7 02/30] Internal functions prototypes for SAKURA and TOMOYO Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 15:29   ` Daniel Walker
2008-04-07 13:56     ` [TOMOYO #7 02/30] Internal functions prototypes for SAKURA andTOMOYO Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-07 15:24       ` Daniel Walker
2008-04-04 12:22 ` [TOMOYO #7 03/30] Constants for /proc/ccs/ interface Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 12:22 ` [TOMOYO #7 04/30] Prototypes of realpath Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 12:22 ` [TOMOYO #7 05/30] External functions prototypes for SAKURA Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 12:22 ` [TOMOYO #7 06/30] External functions prototypes for TOMOYO Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 12:22 ` [TOMOYO #7 07/30] Some wrapper functions for socket operation Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 12:22 ` [TOMOYO #7 08/30] Some of permission checks from VFS helper functions Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 12:22 ` [TOMOYO #7 09/30] Access control part of tamper-proof device filesystem Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 12:22 ` [TOMOYO #7 10/30] Common functions for SAKURA and TOMOYO Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 12:22 ` [TOMOYO #7 11/30] /proc/ccs/ interface for policy management Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 12:22 ` [TOMOYO #7 12/30] Memory and pathname management functions Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 12:22 ` [TOMOYO #7 13/30] mount restriction part Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 12:22 ` [TOMOYO #7 14/30] Shadow mount prevention part Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 12:22 ` [TOMOYO #7 15/30] Automatic bind port selection control part Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 12:22 ` [TOMOYO #7 16/30] Unmount restriction part Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 12:22 ` [TOMOYO #7 17/30] chroot " Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 12:23 ` [TOMOYO #7 18/30] pivot_root " Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 12:23 ` [TOMOYO #7 19/30] Auditing functions for TOMOYO Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 12:23 ` [TOMOYO #7 20/30] Socket operation restriction part Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 12:23 ` [TOMOYO #7 21/30] Capability " Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 12:23 ` [TOMOYO #7 22/30] Conditional ACL support functions Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 12:23 ` [TOMOYO #7 23/30] argvrestriction part Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 12:23 ` [TOMOYO #7 24/30] File operation restriction part Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 12:23 ` [TOMOYO #7 25/30] Signal " Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 12:23 ` [TOMOYO #7 26/30] Domain transition handler Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 12:23 ` [TOMOYO #7 27/30] Environment variable restriction part Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 12:23 ` [TOMOYO #7 28/30] Filesystem part of tamper-proof device filesystem Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 12:23 ` [TOMOYO #7 29/30] Kconfig and Makefile Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 12:23 ` [TOMOYO #7 30/30] Hooks for SAKURA and TOMOYO Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-04 16:29   ` Daniel Walker
2008-04-07 13:56     ` Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-07 15:39       ` Daniel Walker
2008-04-07 15:40   ` Paul Moore
2008-04-07 22:57     ` Casey Schaufler
2008-04-09  8:37     ` Toshiharu Harada
2008-04-09 12:49       ` Stephen Smalley
2008-04-10  5:57         ` Toshiharu Harada
2008-04-10 12:51           ` Stephen Smalley
2008-04-11 11:48             ` Toshiharu Harada
2008-04-09 13:11       ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-09 13:26         ` Stephen Smalley
2008-04-11 14:12         ` Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-11 14:30           ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-12 11:33             ` Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-13 16:36             ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
2008-04-14  2:05               ` Crispin Cowan
2008-04-14 14:17                 ` Stephen Smalley
2008-04-14 17:05                   ` Casey Schaufler
2008-04-15 11:14                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-15 16:32                       ` Casey Schaufler
2008-04-17  7:24                         ` Crispin Cowan
2008-04-16 19:13                       ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-17 11:58                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2008-04-17 17:46                           ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-18 13:21                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-04-15  4:59                   ` Crispin Cowan
2008-04-16 16:31                     ` Stephen Smalley
2008-04-17  7:49                       ` Crispin Cowan
2008-04-17  8:45                         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-04-17 12:42                         ` Stephen Smalley
2008-04-15 13:00                 ` Toshiharu Harada
2008-04-14  1:41             ` Crispin Cowan
2008-04-14 13:48               ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-15  3:21                 ` Crispin Cowan
2008-04-15  4:57                   ` Al Viro
2008-04-09 13:22       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-04-11  3:57         ` Toshiharu Harada
2008-04-24  5:28 ` [TOMOYO #7 00/30] TOMOYO Linux 1.6.0 released Toshiharu Harada
2008-04-24 14:48   ` Serge E. Hallyn

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